. >> aber nathi, how about the proposals about what to do during campaign seasons, they're often so vague. >> that is a great question. and i think you hit the nail on the head. it's a lot easier to say, we're going to cut your taxes than take away this government service. there's always a government notion that if we cut tacks, we're going to have more revenue, or the private sector is going to step in and fill the gap. and that's not what we're seeing. in kansas, their revenues have dropped and their job growth is below the national average. there have been huge cuts to education, to infrastructure, to things that grow the economy and create jobs. >> contrasting quite often in minnesota, where taxes have remained high and spending on government services have remained higher, with wisconsin, where there have been reduction in tuxes, and there's more economic -- in wisconsin. >> wisconsin or minnesota? >> in minnesota, there has been more job growth and a lower rate of unemployment. >> i don't know those who cases, but i think it's also important to say that not all tax cuts are equal. ri