how does she gain abigail spanberger's vote?mily: for abigail spanberger and other lawmakers facing tougher elections, part of this is they want the bill to pass, they want to make sure they can go back to their constituents and save you like the checks you are getting in the mail with the child tax credit? that is the democrat priority. health care expansion, democrat priority. these are the type of things they want to go back and talk to their constituents about. if you look at what happened on tuesday when democrats were so badly damaged in the elections, it has solidified the one thing they need to do to make sure they're able to hold the house next year's midterms are to pass these major spending bills. you see that momentum, you see them wanting to capitalize. we still do have a long way to go on the social welfare and tax plan. even if the house votes to pass it today, that does not mean it becomes law. it goes to the senate and the senate is expected to make numerous changes before it goes back to the house. we have seve

virginia democrat abigail spanberger on an election call warn democrats don't ever use those words again. now the white house walking back president biden saying no to payouts to illegal aliens after the aclu hit the ceiling. those payouts potentially still in the works. elizabeth macdonald, "the evening edit," it starts right now. ♪. elizabeth: thank you so much for joining us. you're watching the fox business network. we've got fireworks again on capitol hill. we have senator rand paul saying dr. fauci, resign. you're misleading america. you're taking no accountability. you're making up definitions on your own ad hoc on the fly. what is gain of function supervirus research? dodging accountability for funding this lethal work. now dr. fauci denied that again today. let's go to david spunt. he has more on dr. fauci on the hot seat today. david, good to see you. reporter: good ening earlier today doctors anthony fauci and rochelle walensky briefed republican and democratic senators about information to vaccinate children ages five to 11. shots began going into arms earlier this week. ther

also in a few moments i'll talk to virginia congresswoman abigail spanberger who represents a major swing district in virginia. we're also following new jersey's governor's race. phil murphy looking to become the first democratic governor to win reelection since 1977. president biden is still overseas. he just wrapped up a speech on green energy at the unite nations climate summit. how he's trying to flex america's leadership muscles this morning. and we know what the jury is going to look like in the trial of kyle rittenhouse. of 20 jurors, there's one person of color. we'll have the latest ahead in kenosha. >>> we start with the governor's race in virginia. steve kornacki is here. he brought along the big board. also with us is katie beck in richmond outside a polling center. steve, what trends are we watching for this hour in virginia? >> the polls show in this basically tied up. the backdrop here, you're seeing that joe biden won virginia by double digits. a couple things we're asking tonight, number one, we're going to be looking up here at the blue counties. right outside washington

. >> reporter: one house democrat facing re-election in virginia, abigail spanberger, issuing a warning about biden's sweeping agenda telling "the new york times" nobody elected him to be fdr. they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. the white house pushing back. >> this is not too much, this is what needs to happen and it should have happened decades ago. >> reporter: republicans worn warning the decline in the president's approval ratings will have a drag on the democrats in the 2022 midterms. >> if you're a democrat and president biden won your seat by 16 points, you're in a competitive race next year. you are no longer safe. >> reporter: now, wolf blitzer, when it comes to whether or not they're having the votes tonight there are still several outstanding issues that they have not ironed out the details on when it comes to immigration and negotiating drug pricing and local tax deductions are critical to getting that final vote to happen and so we are waiting to see what democrats are going to do tonight. though we did hear from debbie dingle on cnn who said democrats are no

they need abigail spanberger and joe manchin to agree with bernie sanders and pramila jayapal. water is do not want to see the bills fail. they want to campaign on significant achievements, but inflation concerns, paying for, the talk of a $6 trillion measure earlier this year was a bit out there. jonathan: the reaction yesterday was that senator manchin would have more leverage. that is not what happened. in fact, many were doubling down. lisa: that shows the bifurcated nature of the democratic party. progressives need to speak to the progressives who elected them. those progressives are not going to be happy with them caving it you do wonder at one point the ship goes toward something getting done or if they do not. jonathan: do we get a this week or not? jeff: that members themselves do not seem to know. the official schedule is question mark, question mark, question mark. the chair is skeptical it could happen this week but it could potentially happen as soon as today. they have had manufactured deadlines, but really we cannot point to a specific legislative deadline where

i want to read something that virginia democrat member of congress abigail spanberger said.obody elected the president to be fdr. they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos, a reference to the former president. she's essentially saying here, read the room, guys. like, watch what happened on tuesday and look around. >> yeah. no, she's saying, in different words, in different language, what joe manchin said, what alisyn just played. and look, it speaks to the really, really big difference in philosophies, in approach within the democratic party. it is how they got to where they are in having control of congress and the house and the senate. if they didn't have a joe manchin, if he didn't exist, you can bet west virginia would be represented by a republican. if a moderate like abigail spanberger didn't win in 2018 in her moderate to conservative district in virginia, you can bet it would be represented by a republican. so, they are reflecting the people they represent. that's what happens to you when you have a wide majority and it's not even that wide but if you have a b

abigail spanberger represents virginia's seventh district. they have really let this effort. when we were looking for someone to host this discussion, -- the co-editor who has also written widely on the subject. it is fair to say that much of what i have learned on the subject and what i have learned from congress' work on the subject has started with her. i'm going to turn things over. it is your show. take it away. >> thank you so much. it is wonderful to be here with these two members. you both have been steadfast in reminding us it is congress' duty to reclaim the war powers that have been largely ceded to the executive branch. you have been writing legislation, you have been cosponsoring legislation, you have been trying to get it passed, and you have remind us that both parties have been stretching unilateral authority. you have not been treating this as a partisan issue. i thank both of you for focusing on that. let's jump right in because our time is short. i want to start with what i think representative meijer -- a very good place to start, low hanging fruit, if you

but your fellow democrat, virginia congressman abigail spanberger, warned thi week, that the president and his party aren't really being transparent about some of these economic issues. she said we're not willing to say inflation is a problem, the supply chain's a problem. we don't have enough workers in our workforce. we gloss over that, and only like to adnit to problems in spaces we dominate. do you agree? >> absolutely not. because i think we're dominating st t united states, you at unemployment as 4.6%, the congressional budget office projected getting down to 4.6% in 2023. we did it two years faster. we know that wages are rising, unemployment is going down. we're creating somewhere around 620,000 jobs a month. and so, i just don't agree with that premise whatsoever. and i think the president acknowledged that some prices are going up, and we're going to-- we're going to deal with that, which is why this bill was so critical. and the "build back better" bill. so i think the president and his economy is right on track. i think his three-prong approach has always been correct: the

president, the democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger said of your presidency no one elected him to be fdr, they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. how do you view your mandate after tuesday's election loss for democrats and is she wrong? pres. biden: abigail is a friend. we had a long talk and she joked and said that she has a picture of roosevelt in her office. i don't pretend to be anyone but joe biden. what i'm trying to do is to do things that i ran on to do. look, people out there are ordinary hard-working americans. they really, really, have been put through the ringer the last couple of years, starting with covid. covid has disrupted every family one way or another, whether it is wearing a mask or losing a family member. 750,000 plus americans dead? 750,000. people are worried. people are also worried, understandably, why is the price of agricultural products when i go to the store higher? for example, if we were all going out and having lunch together and i said, let's ask whoever is at the next table, no matter what restaurant we are in, how do you explain the

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we heard from abigail spanberger who is in virginia and others who won in -- most of them in 2018 and they made the democratic majority, but they won because they're in conservative districts, and now they're facing a situation where they're looking at passing this large social safety net bill, and most of them say they support a lot of it, but there's some of it in there that i'm told many of them believe could be politically really, really dangerous for them. immigration is one example. not a lot of people have talked about it, but in here some of the moderates believe what that would effectively do is allow -- not that they believe, this is actually in there -- that would allow undocumented immigrants to stay for a decade and able to work. that is going to be used as a cudgel to democrats by republicans on an issue they know they're very vulnerable on. >> is there a senior moment here? >> i'm surprised that so many people are surprised this is tough to do. anderson, this is what happens when you bring a blend of the great society and the new deal and the apollo project with respect

here's an example, abigail spanberger is a member of congress from the richmond suburbs of virginia,t week after a party was crushed in the state, she said true and obvious things about why her party might be in trouble. here's part of it. nobody elected biden to be fdr, she told us at the time, he elected him to be normal and to stop the chaos. we were willing to take seriously a global pandemic but not say yes, inflation is a problem and supply chain is a problem, we don't have enough workers in our workforce. we gloss over that and only like to admit problems in spaces that we dominate. it's not a person's point to note that that's just true, absolutely true. it leaves are radical observations, they are really obvious, but on the left right know it takes courage to say that. if we want to do whatever we can to support people who think like this regardless what party they are in. tulsi gabbard's one of those people and we are happy to talk with her and she joins us tonight. congressman, thank you for coming on, it seems like as long as anyone can agree that you want to make the liv

. >> let's talk to someone who just interviewed abigail spanberger recently.he national correspondent for the "new york times". we'll talk about this great piece you have out in just a moment. first, though, what is the lesson here for biden about the path forward on his agenda? . >> well, that there is now greater urgency to get his agenda passed. i think there is a frustration among democrats the last few months they were talking about the intricacies of the sausage making rather than the final product. that is not a great message to convey to voters. the other thing is the voters are in a sour mood. they are tired of covid after 18 months on every level. they want to move past it. and there's real frustration about the price of goods and scarcity of goods. everybody is living this every day. stuff is more expensive and harder to find. that's frustrating them. . >> they have little reminders all day long and it's hitting them in under wallet. >> and they blame who is in charge. . >> just natural, right. you did talk with democrats, including the congresswoma

, take a look at the white house pushing back against this statement from virginia moderate abigail spanbergerest that biden's agenda is far bigger than what voters wanted, and why they put him in office. "nobody elected him to be fdr." >> this is not too much, this is what needs to happen, and it should have happened decades ago. it's been some time since we actually invested in our country and in the american public. >> you should have invested in dealing with your own party in figuring out what you could pass before you went out with the offer. that's what would have made sense. moderate democrats don't agree with what you just heard. that's why biden is still having to make calls tonight to get them on board, especially in the senate where the senate leader for the democrats, schumer, you know, when is the last time you saw him talking about how he's getting it done? so where do things stand? let's bring in a truly better mind, deputy chair of the progressive caucus, congresswoman katie porter. i generally know better than to go toe to toe with you. i'm generally bringing you on here to ex

even virginia democrat abigail spanberger complains that the elected biden to be normal and stop thee chaos in the form of low taxes, control of our borders, record low unemployment, energy independence, revolutionary vaccines. that some crazy, chaotic leap -- that stuff drove the elites crazy and it was always took the gap and i him to get rid of him with completely fabricated scandals and secret elections cabal. so here is the new normal, courtesy of a crooked media. >> the best way to get something done if it is near and dear to you that you would like to be able to -- well, anyway. i think i am supposed to introduce somebody and i'm not sure who i'm supposed to introduce now. i get you guys confused. >> greg: unless you are a child talking in your sleep, that is not normal. they may it comes down to joe's definition of normal. as long as his life retains its own normalcy, who gives a about yours quote from mark he discovered under his leadership that gas has gone up. and not just the stuff coming out of his butt. >> paying this much for a gallon of gas, some parts of california p

. >> speaking of virginia congresswoman abigail spanberger is a front line democrat in a swing district. i think she won by two points. i mean, she is vulnerable especially in a big, republican year which seems to be likely in 2022. she has a message for president biden and her fellow democrats in the "new york times." she said, quote, nobody elected biden to be fdr meaning big, sweeping, government programs. they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. she is suggesting these big, sweeping, multi trillion dollar bills actually are not what voters want >> i mean, i would argue if that is the case to be normal and not have chaos that's kind of what he has done to date. and yet you have devastating losses for democrats, right? yesterday. i don't know that that's entirely the message. i mean, i am convinced virginia had a lot of nuanced, distinct factors. some of this is youngkin was really the man who led a better campaign. some is you spend time in virginia and democrats alone were bored, uninspired by terry mcauliffe. they'd be at his rallies and say this isn't the guy i wanted. th

. >> okay, so i quoted congresswoman abigail spanberger, you saw that yourself in the "new york times." she's a democrat, she's in the swing district in virginia. she's the first democrat to hold her seat since 1971. she came out and said no one elected biden to be fdr, they voted him to be normal and to stop the chaos. then senator manchin said this. >> we can't go too far left. this is not a center left or a left country. we are a center, if anything a center right country that's being shown, and we ought to be able to recognize that. >> as i pointed out, right, the progressive caucus of which you are a member only represents 20% of the american population. are you worried that maybe you're misreading what the american people want? >> i can tell you that the build back better agenda came from president joe biden from the conversations that he had with americans. and i completely reject that these are somehow progressive or moderate or blue dog issues. these are issues that are keeping american families awake at night. these are the issues they talk about around their kitchen table.

those are the words of democrat in virginia, abigail spanberger, this is not what the president was elected to do. this will help with the messaging front. we'll see how they message it. president biden is scheduled to leave the white house later today to go to rehoboth beach for the weekend. whether they try to do a signing ceremony today for the infrastructure package if it gets passed by the house or early next week, you will try to see them highlight that because clearly what they believe tuesday showed them in the wake of the elections is that they need to be highlighting things like this more. >> kaitlan collins, appreciate it, thank you. >>> we are also following breaking news this morning on the covid front. pfizer says it has a new drug that can reduce the risk of covid hospitalization or death by 89%. what does that mean? is it really a game changer? >>> plus, the former doj official who wrote the memo trying to justify stealing the 2020 election, sitting down for an interview with the january 6th committee and the chair says he signed another 20 subpoenas. >>> later this hour, li

abigail spanberger does not think they chose biden to pass this.te limited, to remove donald trump and to make american life ordinary again. nobody elected him to be fdr. they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. the congresswoman alluded to the agenda. joining us now, cofounder of punch ball news, you got to be tired and i know you got a long day ahead. let's talk about the infrastructure and social spending bill. they are scheduled to come out later this morning. walk us through what this day is going to look like and what will happen there this morning and into the night. >> yeah, it's going the take most of the day. the house rules committee to figure out the debate on the build back better act. republicans objected and want to delay it. the house will come in at 8:00, they'll start debating at some point, we don't have the time yet. they'll start debating on build back better and they'll vote on it. they'll be the big moment. there is opposition, no opposition to stop it among democrats, that's where they'll stop. we don't think it wil

that is from abigail spanberger after election night tuesday night. it was not good news for democrats and has led a lot of them to blame others, finger pointing, are he assess. what exactly are they going to be running on in the midterm elections. we talked to the white house about this. they were saying this build back better agenda is very broad, expansive. it is 1.75 trillion, much less than what biden proposed but still big. when we were talking about this, the white house is saying this is something he's been running on since he was a candidate. he is not running on a surprise. it is pared back from some of the things he ran on, free community college, raising the corporate tax rate, which is not in there right now, and several other provisions. they say we tonight understand the criticism from democrats because the president has been clear this is what he has wanted to run on. the counterpart is we're in a different climate right now. people are worried about inflation, supply chain and supply shortages, what kevin was talking about there. and

abigail spanberger in virginia. there is concern. look, asking politicians to take brave positions or take risks is not a winning proposition. and this is a risky package. nobody knows how it will play out with the voters. nobody knows how successful it will be by election time next year. >> yeah. the risk made clear to democrats on tuesday this week. airing tonight on cnn, a special report you've been working on, this of course on the continuing investigation into the january 6th insurrection. a key question here -- you interviewed republicans and asked this question about president trump, possibility not only that he runs again, which personally i think is quite strong, but that he could win. here's a clip from it, and i want to get your thoughts. >> the nightmare scenario is this, and it's not too far out of the realm of possibility, which is donald trump is running for president again, he will likely be the nominee of the republican party, assuming nobody attempts to challenge him credibly. joe biden will be 82 years old by 2024.

abigail spanberger quoted in the "new york times" in a fascinating piece saying nobody elected him toe normal and stop the chaos. i'm not criticizing, presidents when you get repudiated in the elections, do you double down or do i tack and do something different? >> bill clinton did a lot of things different, school uniforms, to try to prove to people i'm doing little things that won't change everyone but it will help your life today. might joe biden do that? >> yes, listen to mark warner. this -- this -- this elitism. it's not so much left or right as it's up/down. you're from dorchester, i'm from sugarland, texas, people where we come from don't much like it if somebody tells us i'm better than you. by the way, my case they always, are but so what. we don't like that, and it makes voters -- they hear this, this cultural and educational elitism from the democrats and they react to it. like for me, i think what democrats ought to say about critical race theory. it's not taught in our schools but i don't have a critical race theory. yeah critical jobs theory. i'm going to pass an infra

abigail spanberger, a members of congress in a swing district in virginia, which people have concerns about on the democratic party side. she said, because people chose to be obstructionists, we're not delivering these things to my state and the rest of the country. i guess we'll just wait, because apparently failing roads and bridges can wait in the minds of some people. >> i think that's before the progressive caucus -- >> they didn't pass on thursday. >> speaker pelosi asked them to do this. the president didn't. why? >> because the president respects speaker pelosi and the caucus and the dynamics she's got to navigate. the fact you've got so many people and support -- chuck, one of the things that came out today, an ipsos poll out said seven in ten americans don't know what's in the framework, what's in the -- >> whose fault is that? >> that's why it is really important that people understand what is in it. for example, the fact that we have -- here people pay on average $9,000 a year for child care. that's on average. here in this area it's more like $20,000 a year. this is going

president, democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger said nobody elected him to be fdr, they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. how do you view your mandate after tuesday's election losses for democrats, and is she wrong? >> abigail is a friend. we had a long talk. she joked and said -- she said i have a picture of roosevelt hanging in my office, her office, okay. i don't intend to be anybody but joe biden, that's who i am. and what i'm trying to do is do the things that i ran on to do. and look, people out there are ordinary, hard-working americans, are really, really been put through the wringer the last couple years, starting with covid. covid has disrupted almost every family in one way or another, whether it's wearing a mask or losing a family member. you know, 750,000 plus americans dead? 750,000. and so people are worried. people are also worried about coming up -- they don't -- understandably, why is the price of agricultural products, when i go to the store, why is it higher? like, for example, if i had -- if we were all going out and having lunch together and i sa

later, abigail spanberger ran for that district on the democratic side back in 2018.'s won two races, both races she won by two points each time. this is a swing district here. chesterfield, richmond. that's where -- it's a pizza slice on a map there. i'll show you what is happening in chesterfield. youngkin is winning this county. your at 90% of the vote. he's up ten points. he will go on to victory in chesterfield. it's not unexpected but the margin appears to be -- pop in here to richmond. see what is happening, this came in late. you're at 40% expected. a blue part of the state. 65%. i would argue -- i'll show you in a moment that that is underperforming for mcauliffe. let's see what happened 11 months ago. look at joe biden. he was 83% in richmond city. that's a mind bender. >> sean: let me ask you this. >> go ahead. >> sean: we have the nine-point lead. 70% of the vote in. let's look at the areas where there's the most outstanding vote and what that has shown us historically. now we're getting to the point terry mcauliffe has to make up ground. where is the most

president, democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger said of your presence no one elected him to be fdr, they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. how do you view the mandate after tuesday's election losses for democrats, and is she wrong? >> well, abigail's a friend. we had a long talk. she joked and said -- and i have a picture -- she said i have a picture of roosevelt hanging in my office -- her office. i don't intend to be anybody but joe biden. that's who i am. and what i'm trying to do is do the things that i ran on to do. and look, people out there are ordinary, hard-working americans, are really, really -- been put through the ringer the last couple of years, started with covid. covid has disrupted almost every family one way or another. whether it's wearing a mask or losing a family member. you know, 750,000-plus americans dead. 750,000. and so people are worried. people are also worried about, you know, coming up -- they don't understand. why is the price of -- of agricultural products -- when i go to the store, why is it higher? for example, if i had -- if we were

congresswoman abigail spanberger said it best.r, we elected him to stop the chaos and be normal. that's not how joe biden is governing. that's why democrats lost in virginia, why we saw lots of republican victories across the country in local election, school board elections, is the privilege movement in the democratic party is driving the debate, driving the intellectual issues on the table. moderate democrats, joe biden, is allowing it to happen. >> amna, here is the math. if you're losing 36% of all voters by a 76-24 margin -- this is right now for the democrats -- it means they have to win 65% of allover voters. that's how bad the issue is. someone said what's bottom. someone said the bottom is zero and they weren't being facetious. >> the rural concern for democrats isn't new either. >> it just got back. >> heidi heitcamp and joe donnell created a pact specifically to appeal to rural voters. if you look just at virginia, yes, youngkin was able to drive up the rural vote, got even bigger margins than 2020 on the rural end whit

it up to sort of 10,000 feet and ask you about something that your fellow virginia democrat abigail spanberger agenda, nobody elected him to be fdr. they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. so are you misreading what americans wanted out of this president, out of the democratic caucus, democratic congress that is now in control? >> i think what the american people wanted was to do rational pragmatic things. that's what i tried to do when i got elected governor 20 years ago when virginia was a very red state. the initial plan against covid in march was what the economy needed and americans wanted. i think the infrastructure investments were long overdue, but i do think coming out of covid, when virtually everybody's life has been dramatically changed, thinking about and putting forward proposals about child care, about preschool, to get folks back into the workplace, to recognize that we've been talking about bringing down the cost of prescription drugs for 30 years, and we're finally going to do it, and recognizing we've got to grapple with climate change, i actually think that is wha

>> well, you know, you heard abigail spanberger, the democratic congresswoman from virginia tell oneagues last week that, you know, biden and some of his allies may have missbrerpted his mandate. the mandate was to get rid of trump, get him off the tv screen and restore some version of normality. not necessarily to be fdr or usher in a new deal or a new great society. there's that question about what the mandate for this society really is. it's a diverse coalition. that's the problem for biden, if you only have 50 votes in the senate and not that many more of a majority in the house because you have to bring those progressives and moderates together on everything you do assuming you're not going to get any republican votes. that coalition was held together last year largely out of shared an at this time pi for trump. it's going to be a challenge on this bill and on every other bill he has in mind between now and next year's midterm. >> and you still hear criticism from black voters in particular in virginia saying, you know, whatever happened to voting rights? whatever happened to po

. >> when i see your colleague abigail spanberger in a swing seat in virginia she said to the "new york biden to be fdr and you see a few other people saying we wait for a congressional budget score. i'm just a journalist. you tell me. when you go around in pennsylvania do people say we want paid leave, lower prescription drug prices, or do they say, congresswoman, what is the latest on the congressional budget score? >> let me just say this. i think we get way too caught up in washington in the weeds. the average american is not watching every single episode of news and getting into the nitty gritty and quite honestly a lot of people aren't even aware there are two different infrastructure bills. what they want to know is what is washington going to do for me? that is what we need to really be focused on. both the infrastructure bill which by the way i know there is this tendency to talk about it as hard infrastructure versus human infrastructure and all that. the reality is that both bills do a tremendous amount for average human beings here m this country. and so we've got to think a

virginia congresswoman abigail spanberger who saw her state's governor seat flip from blue to red told this to "the new york times." nobody elected him to be fdr. they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. and there's another reason for this new urgency. only a few weeks remain before congress breaks for the holiday season. after that, the race for 2022 will begin with gusto. minority leader kevin mccarthy with the speaker's gavel in his sights making this prediction about those midterms. >> if you're a democrat, and president biden won your seat by 16 points, you are in a competitive race next year. you are no longer safe. >> joining me is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, nbc correspondent monica alba, and ashley parker, an msnbc political analyst. love having all of you here. these are interesting times to say the least. ali, there was some sense kind of that we were headed for a vote today. speaker pelosi seems to be tamping down those expectations now. where does this new sense of urgency, if that's what it is, leave democrats today? >> it's an existing urgenc

check out abigail spanberger this morning. >> it's important that it be fully paid for. but let's be clear, if it's not, we have to absolutely understand that and understand what the long-term impact on our nation's debt is or isn't. and then we're faced with a secondary decision into the future about whether or not the investments we're making in our community and our education system and those long-term benefits are in fact are worth or invaluable from a long-term standpoint. >> look, jose, before they left for recess, house moderates made a deal with house democrats saying they needed to vote for this deal, they just needed to wait on the congressional budget office score. there was some room for negotiation in that statement, but nevertheless, if for some reason house moderates decide to torpedo this agreement on the build back better act, there are going to be some very angry progressives in this building. that's certainly something we'll be keeping an eye out for. but right now, at least at this point, it looks like things are moving ahead, even if it's not as quic

. >> that was abigail spanberger who said that, and she certainly knows virginia voters. understanding all of that, where does the white house go from here? it wasn't a surprise yesterday that they pushed back on congress saying, see, you should have passed my agenda, but maybe we'll get a vote today. maybe not. >> yeah, there's a bit of a blame game mode at the white house and also on capitol hill, a circular firing squad, finger pointing, all of it happening this morning within the democratic party because they have to do some soul-searching here on the path forward. the president did argue his main takeaway was that voters were not happy with the inaction in terms of his economic agenda and that had something passed, maybe it would have made a difference. he said he didn't want to have to wednesday morning quarterback too much about that. he doesn't know whether that would have actually had an impact, but he does want to try to galvanize the momentum going forward, making that pitch. but just today, we're hearing from different democrats about their takeaways and some

congressman abigail spanberger, moderate democrat from virginia spoke that notion but also reminded thent that many who voted for him simply wanted normalcy. she told the york work times, nobody elected him to be fdr. they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. cnn's jeff zeleny joins us from the white house. what is the mood inside the white house tonight? >> well, anderson, a year after joe biden was elected president, this republican resurgence really has shaken democrats here at the white house and, indeed, all across washington and on capitol hill. they know that this moment is not good. they know it's been a very rough summer, a very rough fall. but the one aide told me today, we must proceed forward. the best antidote to all of this is passing this legislation. but the reality is the exit polls in virginia last evening show that president biden is underwater. his disapproval rating, 54%. approval rating, 45%. not far off from former-president donald trump. so, that was a bit of a, you know, a wake-up call here. but there is a -- a sense that if they get this legislation pas

virginia democratic congresswoman abigail spanberger spoke to "the new york times" about the president'sa and this is what she said and i quote. nobody elected him to be fdr. they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos. and wondering is the president too focused on these bills? is he trying to do too much? is it too big of -- of a goal? and people just want some normalcy. go on. >> well, i would -- john, i would normally agree with you. if we had a republican party that was operating in good faith. now, i don't want to put you in a bad situation but you know this as well as i do. >> well, you can. >> that many of the republicans have said, hell no, we're not helping him, not anytime, not anyhow, not no way. and so, they are not negotiating so it's very difficult to negotiate with people that just don't want to show up, who are just interested in your demise and not interested in the future of the country. now, you know that they are guilty of at least half of what i said. i think they are guilty of all of it. you can take the halfway point if you want. and so, that's what argues in

norm: if i were giving advice to elissa slotkin or abigail spanberger, two democrats in tough districtsthat were running again and they had taken a different stance on the larger bill, i would say first what john said. if you are seen as a party in disarray and you don't accomplish things, you will have an uphill battle that becomes even more uphill. i would be delighted to go back home and say that those of you that found you have two parents who have to work and you need childcare and you find that when you get childcare, it uses up all the money you make while working, now you will be able to get that childcare and go to work and limited to 7% of your income. you know how your parents are developing alzheimer's and there is no place to put them and you will have to take care of them meaning you might lose your job? now there are now opportunities for home health care, which also will provide jobs. you know how you have been struggling with income? here's that $300 a month in child tax credit to keep you afloat a little bit longer even as it reduces child poverty. i think those are wi

benefit from them, and i actually asked him about some comments from a democratic congresswoman, abigail spanberger who in the wake of the disappointing results for democrats this week, those elections on tuesday, said of the biden presidency no one elected him to be fdr. they elected him to stop the chaos and return to normal. that is what she said to a reporter, so i asked the president his thoughts on that, whether he agreed with that assessment and how he views his mandate in the week of those dismal results. >> abigail's a friend. we had a long talk. she joked and said that i have a picture -- she said i have a picture of roosevelt hanging in my office, her office, okay. i don't intend to be anybody by joe biden. that's who i am, and what i'm trying to do is do the things that i ran on to do. >> reporter: the president also noted that, of course, he drew upon his dozens of years in the u.s. senate, personal relationships to try to get this bill across the finish line. we know he was making calls late into the night, the last couple of days he was urging his fellow lawmakers in his own democrat

as representative abigail spanberger told the new york times nobody elected him to be fdr, they electedanuary 20th. there is no doubt. there is no doubt from that speech forward. the numbers are extraordinary high compares to what a moderate would normally protect. tell me about any second thoughts they may be having inside the white house about starting too far. bill clinton made the same mistakes in '93 and '94 and '95 we are sitting in the chambers, what did he say era of big government are over. he still got some democratic legislation through, he beat us republicans, time and time again. because he started playing to the middle of america instead of his progressive base inside the house. >> you are right, joe biden announced his candidacy in early 2019 about charlottesville about restoring decency of the company and removing the threat as donald trump. he ran as a moderate. many far to his left on that. a couple of things did change. you asked what changed between election day and april when we gave that speech. the pandemic worsen and things hit the lowest water mark here in the u

just a few weeks ago congresswoman abigail spanberger said nobody elected joe biden to be fdr. >> i diden to be the next fdr. now president biden wants to possess the reputation of past president franklin delano roosevelt he has at least one hurdle. for one fdr enjoyed a consistently high approval rating. the quinnipiac university found 36% of those surveyed approve of how biden has handled his job as president so far. as for build back better agenda the latest fox news poll shows only one quarter of americans think it will help their family. so, right now the house is set to reconvene at 8:00 this morning. and they plan to vote on this social spending bill later in the day. ainsley, lawrence, pete? ainsley: all right. well, thank you so much. good to see you. have a great weekend. pete: let's bring in representative byron donalds republican from florida house budget committee and house budget. house oversight keeps going. house select committee on economic disparity and fairness and growth. congressman, you are a busy man. thanks so much for being with us this morning. were you there f

representative peter meijer, representative abigail spanberger. they and others in congress have led this effort. when we are looking for someone to host this discussion, we dr. bridgeman at the top of your list. she has also written widely on this subject. in fact, i think it's fair to say that much of what i have learned on this subject is especially what i have learned in terms of congress's work on this subject has started with dr. bridgeman. with that, i want to turn things over to tess. it's your show, tess. take it away. >> thank you so much. it's really wonderful to be here with these two members. i can't think of anyone better to have this conversation with. you've both really been steadfast in reminding us that it's congress's duty to start reclaiming the war powers that have been given to the executive branch. but you've been matching it with action. you've been writing legislation, cosponsoring legislation, trying to get it passed. and you've reminded us that presidents of both parties have been stretching authorizations to use force,