and i was going, "noah, noah, abnd noah," and i did not realize there were other children, so that waslittle weird. did you see a computer for the first time? stewart: by 1980, we had an a2e, and i was super into it. basic, you could do some basic graphics. you could make this little square this color, make this little square this color, so i made this interactive kind of multimedia sank, but only the super easy ones, like with france and russia. , big, horizontal, like brazil or mexico or any of the fancy flags. emily: your philosophy, you wanted to be an academic. i kind of lost interest. it was not until i went to the 1992, so this is a little bit before things started taking off, and then back into computers because of the networks, and because of the internet, i could make webpages, and by the time i finished my masters degree, i had no idea what i was going to do. the big five philosophy firms are always hiring. the dot com and and ias in the upswing, had some very marketable skills. emily: so you started. stewart: it was too long of a story, so couple of weeks before the crash,