oftorians has spent a lot time talking about abolitionist ideology, abolitionist theology, abolitionistlture, abolitionist hatred of lincoln who was the most radical? they've never really bothered to look at the actual agenda, the policy and proposals they have for getting rid of slavery. when you do that, all sorts of interesting things start to appear in the history of this crisis. so, we have the agenda. and having specified it this way -- it's now possible, for example, to turn to abraham lincoln and take another look at the question i'm asking this evening -- what is lincoln's relationship to the abolitionist movement, or to put the question in a different form, how much of that abolitionist agenda was lincoln committed to? the answer it turns out is most of it. by 1861, the year he became president, lincoln was public the committed to ebullition in washington, d.c., banning slavery from the western territories, revising the fugitive slave act, and suppressing slavery on the high seas. by then, lincoln had also adopted the most important principles of abolitionism as well. he did n

abolitionist ideology, abolitionist culture, abolitionist hatred of lincoln, who was the most radical us, but there was -- they never really bothered to look at the actual agenda, policy, proposals they had. when you do that, also to the interesting things start to appear in the history. so, we have the agenda. and having specified it this way, it is not possible, for to abraham turn lincoln and take another look at the question i'm asking this evening: what is lincoln's relationship to the abolitionist movement? how much of that abolitionist agenda was lincoln committed to? the answer, it turns out, is most of it. by 1861, the year he became president, lincoln was publicly committed to abolitionists in washington dc. revising the fugitive slave act to make renditions more difficult for the slaveholders and processing -- repressing slavery on the high seas. he had also adopted the most important principles of abolitionism. he denounced the proslavery claim that the declaration of independence applied only to white people and are given repeatedly that blacks and whites were equally ent

northern abolitionists were outraged by the kansas-nebraska act. they hated slavery come abolitionists did, but they t with ith it -- deal as long as it was stay below 36 '30'. abolitionists, from massachusetts, connecticut, rhode island, ohio, new york, stoppoured into kansas to kansas from becoming a slave state. yankeesans solve these pouring into kansas territory. they knew they were going to have a fight on their hands. in the mixture of abolitionists and pro-slavery mingling together in the kansas territory , the territory exploded in violence. , attractedrrorism men like john brown and his sons, and starting in 1854, a pre civil war began, and it was nicknamed bleeding kansas. warfare was going on in kansas territory. this is over who would control this new territory. the next that is to create a legislature. then write a constitution that is approved by the voters of the territory, and then it will be sent to washington for andfication by congress, finally, signed by the president of the united states. 1/2 years kansas was a territory, ther

to settle kansas that are abolitionist. they did not come in here to farm, that is what they did, here to fight against slavery, so you have the battle of the civil wars, the battle of blackjack, from here come about 30 miles east, you've got these irregular battles between abolitionists, free staters, slave staters, 40 guys from generally missouri or another state that was proslavery at that time, and in the free staters fighting on the other side. it is the beginning of the civil war that happens here, which is great tragedy of a war for the country, but it is the fight about slavery, and it starts here. my mom grew up on the property where john brown would stay when he was in osawatomie, kansas. you may remember at harpers ferry, where brown was, and they were yelling in at him -- is that osawatomie brown? he lost his son in that battle. he declares there will not be peace until the issue of slavery is resolved, and of course 10 years later we have got the civil war, and it was a very prophetic statement, and it was a ve

it is the abolitionist movement of the 20th century. great quote for you the socialist movement is the abolitionist movement of the 20th century. the trajectory of american radicalism. in new york city, not only on the lower east side but also yorkville, upper east side which was heavily german population at the time and even in other districts, a full, vibrant socialist counterculture developed. something like goodwin talks about based on massive labor unrest. the strikes a 20,000 women garment workers in 1919. male cloak workers. and many other strikes in new york city which became outpourings of communities of community support. a description of 1916, the streetcar drivers went on strike in new york city. we had been crisscrossed with the streetcars before building the subway. the parade of striking streetcar workers from uptown yorkville like 86 and lexington down to union square, 14th street. as they left yorkville, relatives and friends cheered for two hours. great lines lined at madison. it reached the cloak of making district an

lincoln into an emancipator and how lincoln influenced the abolitionists.his program was hosted by the lincoln group of the district of columbia. [applause] >>

one was abolitionist who felt they would make the emancipation more palatable by providing a mechanism for, essentially not deporting the free blacks but making it, and the south there's so much opposition because slaves in some areas such as this one outnumbered the slaveholders. there was a lot of resistance to freeing the slaves because then they would be in the minority. so the idea among the abolitionist woods if they could provide a way to remove part of that population that it would be more palatable to the south to accept the freeing of the slaves. there is also a group of slaveholders who supported it for basically the same reason, they felt it was inevitable that emancipation was going to come to pass and this was a way to remove a large population of free blacks. it wasn't totally ill let egalitarian in its approach, you couldn't just for you slave it was against the law, you had to have legislative approval which was not forthcoming and he felt this was the best chance they had to control the destiny. his daughter agreed, so he wanted to keep them in place until her death a

but, of course, we do know he became an abolitionist. so, he definitely remembered it when he decided to oppose slavery. another interesting thing about slavery in st. croix is when hamilton's mother died, she owned slaves. and so, those slaves were auctioned off. according to hamiltons uncle, one of those slaves was supposed to go to alexander hamilton. but because he did not inherit his mother, he did not receive that slave. so, it begs the question of what it hamilton think at the time. what would things have been different if hamilton had received that slave? what did hamilton think about that slave? it was a young boy, probably around the same age as hamilton. being taken away from him and given basically to a total stranger. so, hamilton, if hamilton grew up with a slave, it wasn't, that slave wasn't just a servant but also a friend. his friend went only -- not only was being separated from him and separated from his family. so hamilton could not have been happy about it. in my speculation, that might have been the origin of hamilt

states' rights, yes and free trade, insults of the abolitionists, the south loss of its dominance, and the economies addiction to slavery altar of the suckers towards secession. amid the turmoil the extremist played off each other so effectively that the voices of moderation, indeed the voice of the majority, voices of the majority on each side were lost and to an amazing extent have remained obscure to many americans ever since. and yet as bunch of perfectly because the state department concluded by the powerful people he knew both privately and publicly and, indeed, listed in the ordinances of secession for almost every one of the confederate states, ultimately there was no question that the south secede to defend slavery. in the north went to war to stop secession. this is a simple concept. you can reduce it to 140 characters. the next time you see anybody go to anybody say the war was not about slavery, you can tweak that after the south secede to defend slavery in the north was the war to stop secession. that's what the civil war was about. there should be no debate about that tod

the union at the same time lincoln is coming up, and kansans at that time who were passionate abolitionist were passionate for lincoln. and he said once famously that, if i were a young man now, i think i would go to kansas. lincoln andn with we have stayed with him. announcer: the supreme court case brown versus board of resulted in that desegregation of schools across the united states. we visit one row elementary -- we visit munro elementary school, one of four topeka schools for african-americans. ♪ >> we are standing in the kindergarten rule of the mo nroe elementary school in to begin. schoolsone of the four operating in topeka in 1951 when the brown v. board of education case was filed in district court. the brown v. board of education case is a small these of a much larger case that started back in 1930's that0's and was part of the national association for the advancement 's shovel toeople overturn segregation in public education. they were attempting to file cases that would eventually lead to overturning a case called plessy versus ferguson, a supreme court decision in 1896 that

northern abolitionists always talked about that slavery basically impoverished all white people. neither one of those was correct. not provide independence for all white men. it provided a good living for lots of planters and lots of landed farmers that were able to make a go of it. but partly, slavery prevented those people from being able to make it economic way. increasingly, it became hard to buy land if you did not have the resources. piedmont,tral agriculture was becoming increasingly commercialized. the railroad was built through here. so you see this kind of dramatic increase and farmers growing tobacco and growing more wheat. they could sell it to market. there was a rise in the price of land. it was only somewhat difficult for people that did not have resources to get land, it became even more difficult as time went on. and then land was out of the reach of some of the poorest white. if they were in north carolina, some that stayed would be this permanent lower-class that existed. a lot of them went to places like mississippi. that land was perceived as being very valua

it as brief as i can, the commanding officer of the third colorado regiment, john shedding 10 abolitionist, he was a nationalist. he saw the project of preserving the union and the united states expanding in the american west as intertwined. he saw liberty and empire as moving in lockstep in the american west. he wanted to move colorado territory towards status as a state. and he was an agent of an emerging american empire, and the slaughter at sand creek was part of a series of bloody engagements that in some ways flow to sam creek and from san creek during the civil war. engagements come after the war was over became one element of reconstruction in the wars exploded. >> alexa, sand creek has been a national park since when? >> it was authorized in the year 2000 and establish in 2007. >> wasn't president clinton who sign legislation? >> yes. >> talk about the history behind the creation of the historic site? prof:. roberts: it began in 1998 with the passage of legislation which congress directed the national park service to study the location of the massacre side and make recommendations

there are hundreds, thousands of reformers on the east coast, people who were involved in the abolitionist movement. now they're looking for a new cause. they are reading in their newspaper about this peaceful man who cannot bury his son because he is a prisoner in a fourth out in nebraska, and they are not happy. people locally begin to read the story. and a lawyer in omaha, if you were in trouble in omaha, nebraska, no matter what the afense was, you would want lawyer by the name of andrew to present you. he was the first lawyer to be admitted to the bar in nebraska. he was the general counsel or the pacific railroad. ironically, in a done more to destroy american culture then any other institution prevent any spring of 1879, he reason there,er about standing and he decides he's going to represent this chief in a federal courtroom for free, because he is so intrigued with the legal possibilities in this case that he wants to make new law. he believes in his client's innocence and believes that he has been wronged by the federal government. he makes it known he will represent standing bea

a fellow abolitionist, and a grandfather was friends with horace greeley, and really involved. ohio was very much the california of its day. in the earlier part of the 19th century, representing the west and that is where you really find this movement of equal education for women, and so ida's father helps to bring this same to abolitionist, whose name i cannot remember right now, but ida then follows her when the teacher goes to teach at delphi academy. this is during the civil war and then she goes on to study in cleveland, and then she goes to study at brook call seminary in pennsylvania, and what you see here is an educated young woman with an interest in finance and give ability for mathematics and also activity. she is an unusually physically fit young woman, and she hikes upwards of 10 miles per day on that trip to europe. two significant factors on that trip to europe. one, she sees for the first time poor and working-class women working in belgium on lace and finds out how very little they make and have to live on, and she is sort of devastated by this, and she reflect

he wasn't very bright and he was an abolitionist but his mother was a dragon lady and ferociously abolitionist and worse as robert gould shaw to take them and of massachusetts. not exactly like the film but all volunteer. all these names that are so seeded with early market history were volunteers. francis channing barlow buries his wife, comes back and he is sick and he doesn't know when to quit. you have got to know when to quit. scott hancock corps commander is grooming barlow to take over the core and hancock is a six from his ones he has to leave. barlow botches it terribly. he does everything he is torn other officers apart for doing and finally he collapses and goes back to the hospital. this man is truly, truly ill and five days later he pops back up to retake command of his division. the confederates are ready to attack. the barlow collapses again. this time yesterday carried off. he has done. it did grow harmed because he was trying to do his duties beyond the limits of common sense. so again all these questions came up for me personally or it his subordinate who went on to be a grea

he describes the abolitionist movements of the day and how they helped transform a politically cautious a lincoln into in emancipator. this hour and 10 minute program was hosted by the lincoln group of the district of columbia. >> [applause]

she was an abolitionist and suffragist. and so clara was raised with a sort of sense of self. >> yeah. >> and she got jobs as a teacher, mainly, but always complained that she didn't make as much as a man. which, for the period, was really quite something to do. >> yeah. >> ended up -- >> it's not working out so great right now either. >> i know. i'm well aware. tell me about it. but she then went to washington to work in the patent office. and she was paid. and then when the war started, the massachusetts regiments arrived in washington and they were her hometown boys. >> yeah. >> so she started providing them with supplies. and then people started sending her supplies because people wanted to know -- because the boys wrote home and said this nice lady is getting stuff. so she ended up with three warehouses full of supplies for the soldiers and finally the quarter master general understood what her worth was -- >> yep. >> -- and allowed her to deliver them. and then when she got to the battlefield she was just in it. >> ye

be educated, not completely caught up with the ideals of enlightenment and came back a complete abolitionist rights to his father i don't want to slaves. i think we should -- he has actually given the privilege and the assignment by congress to go down to south carolina of all places which is where he's from to recruit and offer 3000 mensa. it's slaves. the legislature of south carolina politely but not so politely said no thanks to that idea. but this is part of the story and washington as i said realized the conflict. he writes in 1776 there is no man who wants more than i to see a plan adopted for the abolition of slavery. while he says that he doesn't really do too much to bring it about and i think yes presentism is a real thing that i think you can judge washington by his own standards of what he thought was moral. the same thing with jefferson. they knew this was a contradiction to their ideals. they knew it was an affront to talk about liberty and equality and justice and key people in chains. they both perhaps foolishly optimistic alito's slavery would end at america and on that the

we started with the american revolution and have been going through the abolitionist movement, early feminism, the civil war reconstruction, labor conflict in the gilded age, the populist movement, now we are entering into the 20th century. in the next couple of weeks, we will look at the progressive era, a period of a lot of labor unrest, industrial workers of the world, the women's suffrage movement coming to the fore, municipal reform, many other things. but today, our subject is the socialist party. the rise of socialism as a key element of american radicalism in the early 20th century. on a reading list, the chapter by michael casing gives a good quick summary of this moment in the various kinds of socialism at that time. from 1860 at least

verbage according to a new poll the former first lady leads all choices with 27% african-american abolitionist harriet tubman was second at 17%, native american explorer sacajawea. women's rights activist susan b. anthony and put on their early ought earhart -- amelia earhart. announced a woman would be on the new $10 bill scheduled for release in 2020. it is about time. juliet: huddy like to experience more sensations at the movies you bring in 4 d affects to manhattan theaters this year. the end unions square in the walk --ewok on west 42 street, the theaters will dispense snow, shake your seats and spew out wind, rain and lightning affect. i don't know if this sounds fun. no word how much the tickets will cost but the post points out the 4 d theaters in the country charges nearly $24 and if you etna 3d screen to that experience you could see ticket price of $30 for the entire experience. robert: top stories when we get back. juliet: the grateful dead, we [excited yelling] ah, yes! you can't stop it! aww...your mom liked my post. you're friends with my mother? whoa. another episode? definite

many of the same people after they failed to protect indians moved on to a given cause and became abolitionistsand opposed slavery. one of the leaders, one of the organizers of the women's petition movement is a woman named catherine beecher it was an educator whose little sister was harriet beecher stowe, later wrote uncle tom's cabin which was hugely influential in changing white people's attitude about slavery. more questions. go right ahead. someone else with a tie, this is awesome, thank you. >> you spoke about the slavery that the white settlers wanted to bring to cherokee land but also can you speak to, but the cherokees themselves the old, i believe owned slaves implantations? and the other question i had was regarding him if he could speak a little bit about the supreme court case with john marshall. >> absolutely. i'm just delighted by the depth of knowledge in these questions. thank you for reminding me of that fact, that yes, indian nations, while they were busy copying of the white practices to slavery. and john ross himself, according to any evidence that i found, was a slave owne

thing about bob wagner, bob shaw, tutored through harvard, was a dragon lady, was ferociously abolitionist and forces robert gould shaw to take command of the 54th massachusetts, all volunteer, was going to die on the battlefield, all these names associated with american history, barlow, francis ginning barlow takes the lead, buries his wife, comes back and is sick, and doesn't know when to quit. got to know when to quit. as a result winfield scott hancock, in the wing of the army grooming barlow to take control of the court, so sick from winds and has to be if. he botches it terribly he has warned other officers from doing. and collapses, this man is truly truly ill. five days later he pops back up to take command of the division. confederates are ready to attack. this time he has not carried it off. they did real harm to do his duty beyond limits of common sense. his subordinates wanted to be a great -- takes over. a clerk in a store fantasizing about military glory, and dubious french colonel will do anything, nelson miles with a natural soldier. and a protege of frank barlow and france

about southern heritage, wanted it make more sense to talk about rosa parks, to talk about the abolitionists in the south of fight against slavery? why is the confederate flag, which symbolized a nation that tried to continue and perpetuate slavery, the symbol of southern heritage? that is not make any sense to me. clinton: i think there is more to be said here, though, which is a basic historical lesson, which is a confederacy is not some part of america -- it was time to leave america. that is to be understood here. when you assume one into another, that is a historical, that is faulty or when you talk about atonement, i believe there are a lot of people that do believe that some concept of cultural heritage around the show that the one you were on, shows like i watched as a kid, but if you are going to go with atonement, as for people who were most affected are you do not get to just make the rules of your own atonement if you really actually care. you go to germany, you not see symbols like that. from a symbolism standpoint, that is what i am saying. ben: no, no. clinton: i am not disagr

i have changed, because i have lea learned a lot of things, and i began to think if abolitionists a long time ago said that i don't believe in slavery, but anybody else can do it if they want to, where would we be if they wanted to. that changed my opinion of a lot of things. >> and so, in foreign policies, there have been some movement in the peninsula of north korea with kim jiaung un moving troop what is your stance on that? >> we will stand with our allies no matter what. >> and donald trump says he get s his foreign policy advice by watching television, and who are your foreign policy advisers? >> i have a number of advisers and i don't have permission to release all of the names. but general bob dietz is one of the names that i have permission to release, but i have a number of excellent advisers which will be increasingly apparent as people begin to question me about foreign policy. >> and can you catch donald trump? he seems to be running a away with this? >> well, i'm not particularly trying to catch anybody. what i am doing is to steadily getting the message out, and connecting

lost but now i am found was blind but now i see ♪ >> john newton's journey from slave trader to abolitionist when we've been there ♪ ♪ ten thousand years bright shining as the sun we've no less days ♪ ♪ to sing god's praise than when we'd first begun amazing grace ♪ ♪ how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me i once was lost ♪ ♪ but now i am found was blind but now i see was blind but now i see now i see ♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: fantastic. thank you, thank you. thank you so much. fantastic. thank you so much. "amazing grace" is now playing on broadway at the nederlander theater. for tickets go to amazinggracemusical.com. we'll be right back ladies and gentleman. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ (plays throughout) ♪ sometimes, at last doesn't happen at first. ♪ ♪ your dad just kissed my mom. ♪ turning two worlds into one takes love. ♪ helping protect that world takes state farm. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: my thanks to zac efron, fran lebowitz, the cast of broadway's "amazing grace" and the roots right there, ladies and gentlemen. stay tuned for "late night with seth meyer

lost but now i am found was blind but now i see >> john newton's journey from slave trader to abolitionist inspired him to write the words to this song. t'was grace that taught my heart to fear and grace my fears relieved how precious did that grace appear the hour i first believed when we've been there ten thousand years bright shining as the sun we've no less days to sing god's praise than when we'd first begun amazing grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me i once was lost but now i am found was blind but now i see was blind but now i see now i see [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: fantastic. thank you, thank you. thank you so much. fantastic. thank you so much. "amazing grace" is now playing on broadway at the nederlander theater. for tickets go to amazinggracemusical.com. we'll be right back ladies and gentleman. [ cheers and applause ] blinds to go's summer celebration sale's so hot you're gonna need shades. not those shades. these shades! take a cool 20-35% off all sun shades, cascade shades, basswood and more. shades on sale. there's nothing cooler than that. blinds t

and the theory now is that that arose because the hardings were very fervent abolitionists and had worked on the underground railroad. and when you did that, then people started rumors about you. and the rumors would be that the hardings were part black. david pietrusza: and these rumors were floating around. one of the reasons why amos kling doesn't want her daughter marrying harding i think is he -- he doesn't trust her judgment in men, particularly after the first marriage. but also he believes that harding is part black and he's pretty vociferous about it. and i won't repeat his language but he goes all around town saying what he thinks warren harding is. finally, he gets used to harding, but these stories don't go away and there's a fellow named chancellor, who's a distinguished fellow, professor, graduate of amherst, went to all sorts of colleges, ran the dc school district at one time. kathrine sibley: a historian even. david pietrusza: yes, a historian and author, a very, very big publisher of, respectable books but a thoroughgoing racist. he switches from republican to progressiv

the themes of bondage and liberation figure prominently in the abolitionist campaigns of the mid 19thentury and similarly in the civil rights movement a century later. the late police call theorist wilson kerry mcwilliams had this to say, and i thit i captures the point i want to make. he says the increasing unfamiliarity with the bible makes it harder and harder for americans to understand their origins and their mores, or to put words to their experiences. lacking knowledge of the bible, americans are likely to be literally inarticulate, unable to relate themselves to american life and culture as a whole. >> let me just say in conclusion, in an increasingly fragmented society in which citizens lack a common language to engage in social discourse, there's an apparent need for shared points of reference and a common cultural vocabulary that will facilitate meaningful communications across various social divides, especially on volatile issues like religion and politics. religious and cultural literacy lifts barriers to communications in a plural u.s.ic and democratic -- pluralistic and

about southern heritage, wanted it make more sense to talk about rosa parks, to talk about the abolitionists in the south of fight against slavery? why is the confederate flag, which symbolized a nation that tried to continue and perpetuate slavery, the symbol of southern heritage? that is not make any sense to me. clinton: i think there is more to be said here, though, which is a basic historical lesson, which is a confederacy is not some part of america -- it was time to leave america. that is to be understood here. when you assume one into another, that is a historical, that is faulty or when you talk about atonement, i believe there are a lot of people that do believe that some concept of cultural heritage around the show that the one you were on, shows like i watched as a kid, but if you are going to go with atonement, as for people who were most affected are you do not get to just make the rules of your own atonement if you really actually care. you go to germany, you not see symbols like that. from a symbolism standpoint, that is what i am saying. ben: no, no. clinton: i am not disagr

the abolitionists and freedom that the freed slave understood about wright's coming from god and thinko our children know this? will our grandchildren learn this. will we know that this civilization must understand the principles that rights come from god? if they come from government, government can take them away. they are in alienable did i challenge all of us to step up and defend your rights that come from god that are enshrined in the declaration and constitution. be not afraid. be bold. be local. step up to the pulpit and preach the word. if the come along and take away your bible -- not-for-profit status. is anyone in here in it for the profit anyway? i will pray for you. if you will be there physically, i will come stand you. i don't need to extend next you. i know you are there. we have to be confident. i recall a time when we i was giving a speech on the courthouse in sue county, iowa. an individual came out and said, you can't speak here. this is election year. we have elections here in november. state representative said if you can't excise or rights here, can you tell me

taught about southern heritage would it make sense to talk about rosa parks, to talk about the abolitionistsuth who fought against slavery? why is the confederate flag which symbolized a nation to try to continue and perpetuate slavery the symbol of southern heritage? that doesn't make any sense to me. >> we've got to move on. >> the basic historical lesson, the confederacy is not some part of america. it was trying to lead america. that's to be understood. when you just sort of subsume one into the other in a historical context, that's all spirit and to talk about atonement i believe the ark people who did it there is some concept of cultural heritage around shows like the one you want, shows that i watch as a kid in which that visual symbol means something different. if you're going to go with potomac as the people most affected. you go to germany, you don't see symbols like that because, this comparison from a symbolism standpoint. that's what i'm saying. >> you can't say that about the american flag. >> let me say this. quickly, first, speed we are past the flight that we are moving on s

african-american abolitionist, harriet tubman, 17%. >> go harriet tub ban, underground railroad. it should be her. >> amelia earhart. no word what the treasury department will make the choice. bill scheduled for release in 2020. >> look at old style bill. today it is different. >> by the way on my facebook page i put eleanor roosevelt clip this morning. >> what does see say? >> with the new day comes new strength and new thought. >> that's nice. >> isn't that nice? >> you knee what is wild about her? she put up with fdr and he basically had a live-in girlfriend at the white house, right? >> yeah. >> like doris kearns good win told us about that and she somehow survived. >> he got around pretty well. >> or they came to him. >> whatever. he got around. >> all right. oh, stay on presidential topic. george w. bush, the former president of the united states -- >> 43. >> jury duty. he got a jury notice. he actually showed up. >> took some pictures with everybody. he was not exempt from jury duty but, mr. bush was not picked for a case. not because of his high-profile, instead court off

>> just to flip this debate should the press gives people time to climate change deniers, anti-abolitionists, et cetera. >> i want to answer the question because the great environmental writer -- you know, our public editor is big on this notion of false equivalency that to be an unbiased reporter, you have to say on one hand there's been a vast majority of science says there is clearly climate change caused by human. on the other hand other people say we don't know for sure and there's no real evidence. we don't do that anymore. we basically say because the established science of the human caused climate change, we don't do that. other issues we do that is one where we've kind of move beyond what i call the false equivalency. >> we treat climate change as serious. that is where, as elizabeth said the vast majority of the preponderance, almost a unanimous view of science is. so we treat science seriously and that is how we write about it. occasionally someone who has an alternative point of view and that message out to be open to all points of view. >> should the internet be governed by a gl

educated, got completely caught up with the ideals of the enlightenment and came back a complete abolitionist, writes to his father i don't want those slaves, i think we should sell them. he's actually given the privilege and the assignment by congress to go down to south carolina -- of all places, which is where he's from -- to recruit and arm 3,000 emancipated slaves. the legislature of south carolina sort of politely but not so politely says, no thanks, to that idea. but this is part of the story. and washington, as i said, realized the conflict. he writes in 1776 there is no man who wants more than i to the see a plan adopted for the abolition of slavery. while he says that, he doesn't really do too much to bring it about. and i think that, yes, presentism is a real thing, but i think you can judge washington by his own standards of what he thought was moral. same thing with jefferson. they knew this was a contradiction to their ideals. they knew it was an affront to talk about liberty and equality and justice and keep these people in chains. they both, perhaps foolishly optimistic, belie

was she influenced at all by the abolitionist movement in her early adult years?illiam seale: oh, yes. edith mayo: very much so. william seale: very much so. and he -- his whole administration fought for the african-american vote everywhere. now, of course, remember now that -- only african-american to vote, not women. but it was for the african-american vote, he was very vocal about it. susan swain: next is dan in omaha. hi, dan. dan: hi. when you showed the office there, at his personal home there, i think i saw the picture of the ninth president, the grandfather of -- william seale: william henry harrison. edith mayo: william henry. dan: yeah. was -- did the -- did william harrison, did he own this property at one time himself? william seale: wait a minute. what -- susan swain: did william henry harrison own that property? william seale: where the house is? no, he lived in ohio. his home was in ohio, and it's open to the public, as well. william henry harrison is another matter. he died after 30 years in the -- 30 days in the white house, and harrison saw him a

continue to -- to encourage mary catlet to go forward and give this speech to really start this abolitionist vement. >> you talk about her strength. let's talk about yours. you've seen this production through several different incarnations before you hit broadway. what dtd ii take to hit the great white way, my dear? >> this experience has been like no other. like truly as artists we say that theater is a collaborative art. it nu really has been a collaboration. >> right. >> our writer, christopher smith, this is theyvery first musical, first time writing. he was a pnoice officer. >> really? >> oh, yeah. he retired, walked through the brary, found this book on john newton and became inspired to write the story. because it'saepic. ryit really truly is. >> a lot of firsts in this production. >> a lot of first broadway debuts. our.r director, his first time directing on broadway. so it was one of those experiences when we're all in the room as artists sharing our own personal opinions. >> younnere in t creative pr l-ess. >> oh, yeah. >> let's talk pr about nana as lla there are always gning to

. >> do you see that in your party, the abolitionist and the wigs, the regular supporters of governmenten brewing for 15, 20 years now. absolutely. you're going to see stark contrast between the ted cruz, rand paul, and the donald trump wing and the establishment wings of the gop. >> is there any applause line that isn't hard right? i mean, will they applaud anything like we have to work together, will that get an applause line? >> well, no. >> the look you just gave me -- >> that notwithstanding, chris, i think -- that notwithstanding, there is a risk and a reward in somebody taking on donald trump for his language about immigrants. >> okay. >> i don't know who can take advantage of that. >> there's two hispanic candidates. >> i think jeb has to. >> somebody has to do it. >> i think jeb is in the best position to do it. >> chivalry if nothing else. >> the bushes are good at chivalry. >> he's talking about his wife, for crying out loud. >> jeb is in the best position to reframe that discussion on immigration. >> it's interesting that we have an immigration issue we know is going to be h

he'd been somewhat of a nuclear abolitionist, and that's been written about before, but i believe that reagan being shot transformed his understanding of what it meant to have a military buildup. that the buildup was part of a strategy for a very different goal. and that goal was to spread human rights around the world. to make people free. i don't think it was so much to instill democracy in every country that he could, but to really increase the capacity of civil society and then letu9h/ñ people choose the particular form of government that they would want. he believed in the powerle eer american ideal, as has been noted earlier, but he wasn't like many in both republicans and democrats in i think recent decades, at least in the 2000s, who have seen it as the responsibility of the united states to make the world over, to nation-build in something like the united states. reagan really cared about freedom. and he believed in people. so, what i want to talk about today is how, in a counter intuitive way, we can say that reagan, ronald reagan was a human rights activist. that will be int

but then there was always another wing of the criticism of slavery: the abolitionists who looked at the first group and said, "are you kidding? the problem isn't that they're not well-fed or well-clothed or--the problem is that they're slaves. and even if we had a big struggle and even if we were successful in improving the conditions of the slaves, as long as they're still slaves, it's always possible for the master to take back whatever improvements in the conditions you were able to extract from him. the way to break out is to end the institution of slavery." and there was a big struggle in the united states between these two groups. in the end, lincoln went and abolished slavery. well, it's really the same issue now, isn't it? either we work real hard to improve the conditions of working people-- their wages, their salaries, their benefits--or we say, "wait a minute. the problem isn't the conditions. the problem is that they're an employee of somebody else who's the employer. and even if we get the benefits, the employer can and will take them away." i already did that 40 minutes ag

coming in second place is the famous abolitionist harriett tubman.uld be awesome come to think of it. rounding out the top five are sacagawea who helped lead the famous lewis & clark expedition across the western united states. that would be a great pick. legendary aviator amelia earhart. now it's getting hard to choose. and susan b. anthony who played a key role in the women's suffrage movement. the redesign the $10 bill is set to debut in 2020. >>> it's almost time for the debate in the 2016 u.s. presidential race, and they always seem to give us some odd and sometimes funny moments. coming up next we'll show you some of the best from years past. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ hp instant ink can save you up to 50% on ink delivered to your door, so print all you want and never run out. plans start at $2.99 a month. right now, buy an eligible printer, and get three months of free ink with hp instant ink. available at participating retailers. the most affordable way to print. hp instant ink. esurance was born online. which means fewer costs, which saves money. their