lincoln is not an abolitionist. a lot of students confuse the idea that lincoln is an abolitionist as he is the president who ends slavery. but lincoln is not an abolitionist, even though he does not like slavery. he does not like the tactics and methods of abolitionists. so, but go back to the point for a moment. so, if i could use another little teaching demonstration for a moment. if i could use a timeline, i am not going to pop this screen. i will try it this way instead. lincoln is a politician, imagine that. he is a politician. he has been in the u.s. congress elected to the presidency in 1860, so he has political inclinations. we have people on both sides of the divide here. on my left, a group of people we have been talking about this hour who represent the folks on my left, the people we've talked about? where would the free soilers, the abolitionists, slaveholders be? if we had abolitionists on my far left, who would be on the far right? the slaveholders. where would lincoln be? he would be in the middle.

they don't like his abolitionist message. who do you suppose are the people committing the violence? if you are a southerner and reading the liberator and other abolitionist tracks, what is going on in your head? >> these people are probably threatening your way of life. >> they are threatening your home, family, and livelihood. anyway, so violence becomes a huge theme throughout the abolitionist movement. many of these abolitionists including william lloyd garrison, are targeted. i want to share another one of my favorites. i'm talking about my favorites today. this is a woman who grew up not far from where i grew up, harriet beecher stowe. has anybody read her book, uncle tom's cabin? it sold thousands of copies during its day. i always like to say that if they had a new york times bestseller list in 1850, she would have been on it. -- it sold thousands of copies during its day. all right, so this is one of the most famous tracks of the day. she is a woman from maine. she will write this novel called uncle tom's cabin. it i

where would the free soilers, the abolitionists, slaveholders be? >> abolitionists. professor harris: if we had abolitionists on my far left, who would be on the far right? >> slaveholders. professor harris: the slaveholders. where would lincoln be? he would be in the middle. what would his position be? >> compromise. professor harris: free soiler. you're right about that. compromise all the way. do you get the sense that lincoln is in a precarious position? he's in the middle. he doesn't want to get the side or this side angry. he's trying to appease both sides. is it possible to stay in the middle with something as volatile as slavery? >> no. professor harris: no. in 1860, when lincoln runs for the presidency, most won't put him on the ballot. what's the fear with lincoln being president? what do southerners fear he would do if he's president? outlaw slavery. he's not really a free soiler. we don't believe him when he says he's a free soiler. we know he wants to end slavery. that's their fear. we'll talk about how the war becomes a war to preserve the union and how

not an abolitionist in the sense that william lloyd garrison or frederick douglass were abolitionists. van lew and her family carefully staked out a position on a tenuous middle ground between abolitionism and the proslavery creed. they were in upper middle class family. they would've had a mansion on churchill. they made every effort to fully assimilate into southern society and the van lew family owned dozens of slaves. at the same time, van lew and her mother eliza, with whom she was very close, privately lamented the evils of slavery, hoping all the while that through individual acts of freeing, charity, individual slaves, they could erode slavery from the inside, and indeed, van lew and her family supported the controversial colonization movement that sought to deport free blacks to africa. her family's most , only toave to liberia ask she be returned to her and richmond a few years later. the story is very puzzling and improbable. and while the sources are murky secretly for lew the sum of her slaves and allow them to stay on in richmond working for wages, she gave a secret free

according to the van lew myth, then lee was an abolitionist. someone who knew from the time she was a child that slavery was wrong. someone who committed herself to emancipation. but the word abolitionism, of course was and is a loaded term. and has to be unpacked if you will. for van lew to detractors, those sympathetic to the confederacy, calling her an abolitionist was a way to brand her as an outsider to the south. someone, who thanks to her northern parentage and her heretical views, was never a real virginian. for van lew's descenders over the years, calling her an abolitionist has been a way to paint her as a more -- moral paragon. but a close reading of the sources reveals that van lew was not an abolitionist in the sense that say, william would garrison or frederick douglass were abolitionist. instead of rejecting slavery in the company of slaveholders, van lew and her family carefully staked out a position on a tenuous middleground between abolitionism and the proslavery cree. the van lew family in one of richmond's tone your neighbor

according to the myth, she was in abolitionist. someone who knew from the time she was a child of that slavery was wrong, someone who committed herself to emancipation. the word abolitionism of course was and is a loaded term and has to be unpacked. for the detractors, the sympathetic to the confederacy, colin her in abolitionist was a way to branch or as an outsider to the south. someone who thinks to her northern heritage that she picked up was never a real virginian. for the defenders over the years, calling her in abolitionist has been a way to painter as a moral paragon, someone who saw the light. a close reading of the sources revealed that she was not in abolitionist in the sense that william lloyd garrison or frederick douglass were abolitionist. and set of rejecting slavery in the company of slaveholders, her and her family carefully staked out a position on a middle ground between abolitionism and the proslavery creed. family was an upper-middle-class family and one of richmond's neighborhoods, lived in a mansion on churc

and it is an abolitionist group. >> yes. you texted me.i heard a couple of things in that question. number one that leads me to more questions for you like who decides what time it is or how we think about what people do or how they impact other people? it is defined by the state and the government that is in the same harm or violence or abuse someone experience but also a practice that people engage in for the harm that people do to other people it is about recognizing that people commit to taking action to be held responsible and accountable with the aim to restore some of the harm they have done individually or on a can the level or systemic level. and i'm still learning how to talk about these things but no going to a restorative justice process does not erase what they have gone through. that is not the point. what happened? somebody in this room right now with that professionalism is called. this is so wack it is on their card i never have to admit i punch this person i never have to apologize. i never have to sit down and talk to th

and so the work of abolitionists is to dig into figuring that out.what are we going to do about it, because i can tell you, the state has not figured it out. it's not in the interests of the state or the corporations to figure it out. so that's our work. >> thank you for this book and this conversation, i appreciate you so much. my question is a writerly question, i thought i saw something you said on social media about this book changed so much in the beginning to what it became and i wonder if you could talk about that process and how it changed . >> i started a blog in, i don't know, 2010 or something called the freedom pages and it was based off of coral latest book, i wish i had a red dress in which she writes this list and it's a fiction book, but the main character talks about what every free moment, what every free woman looks like and it's a group with teenage girls and i said , i know what a free woman looks like and i called my blog the freedom pages and the book was called the freedom pages to begin with and after i finish writing it, my

as an abolitionist early in 1833.she lost leadership because of it but now she was back in the game full force. and she was printing jordan anderson's letter in this ledger -- in a primer for children. american society which was an anti-slavery institution -- they said this is too radical. this is a recipe for reparations. they will not print it. she had to gather the funds print it herself. she printed out 1000 copies and ,ried to get them circulated read publicly, even in churches so that jordan anderson along and articles about haiti frederick douglass -- it radicalize his -- it radicalize s things. now, here were all of these black political figures that overnight showed children they have a chance. vision andchilds' was of jordan anderson moving faster than congress was. -- know the movie "lincoln" they dramatically pass the 13th amendment abolishing slavery right at beginning of 1865, january but it takes almost a whole year to get it ratified. kentucky is a holdout. the union holdout. until to preserve slavery

the missionary dr david livingstone became the figurehead for abolitionist explores. the people who supported these missions what businesspeople people who had money so they probably had some idea of why they just did it's not just interested in finding the stock kept mountains of africa but way to come to missionaries living standard was actually quite clear he knew. what the capitalists what interested in. the missionary organization he told them that this is philanthropy last five percent that there is an interest for you as businessmen and he said quite openly philanthropy joined us to fight against slavery abolish slavery because that is an interest for you you would produce cloth to sell to the people. some explorers made the most of local merchants advice and logistical support. among the latter was. one of the most important slave traders in western africa he controlled an immense territory along lake tanganyika. thanks to tea party andrew morton stanley went up the congo river and chorus traditional village chiefs into signing contracts that stripped them of

because it was all there in the ways in which the abolitionists thought the numbers of abolitionists who truly had a conception of african culture african men and women as in any way equal to them was relatively small. even the most egalitarian of the abolitionists assume that you know british culture is civilized evolved at cetera et cetera i mean that's part of the that's part of our understanding. once they had progressed deep into the continent the europeans built railways from the interior to the coasts. at the end of the lines the capitals of the new colonies group the car lagos'. want to do on the cape town doris all. cotton palm oil rubber cocoa and ivory were transported to these ports then shipped all over the world. i'm not going to. let him know that. at the time colonial conquest african political powers with whom the europeans have been trading for five centuries were deprived of all the rights. brazil one of the first territories to see sugarcane fields flourish was one of the last to ban slavery. on may thirteenth reaching eighty eight members of brazil ratify the abo

the missionary dr david livingstone became the figurehead for abolitionist explores. the people who supported these missions what businesspeople people with money so they probably had some idea of why the interested is not just interested in finding the stock kept mountains of africa but when it comes to missionaries livingstone was actually quite clear he knew or what the capitalists what interested in. the missionary organization he told them that this is philanthropy last five percent that there is an interest for you as businessmen and he said quite openly philanthropy joined us to fight against slavery abolish slavery because that is an interest for you you would produce cloth to sell to the people. some explorers made the most of local merchants advice and logistical support. among the latter was. one of the most important slave traders in western africa he controlled an immense territory along lake tanganyika. thanks to. andrew morton stanley went up the congo river and chorus traditional village chiefs into signing contracts that stripped them of millions of a

sides: john c fremont, the abolitionist. prof. woodworth: he is the first candidate of the republican party on a ground of no further spread of slavery. so he is not abolitionist, but he is against this spread of slavery. prof. scharff: and fremont, when he is head of the department of missouri, issues the first emancipation proclamation and lincoln is furious about this, because he says, this is premature and we will alienate the slaveholders in missouri. we need to hang on to missouri. daughter takeand the train from st. louis to washington, d.c. to try and doingde lincoln they are the right thing, and lincoln says oh, you are quite a lady politician, aren't you? and he sends her on her way. [laughter] prof. sides: and there is another woman. ,e think this is a male story but there are all of these amazing when in that are starting -- amazing women that are starting to get recognized more and more in literature, i think. prof. woodworth: fremont is one of the most. prof. blackhawk: this has been a really productive conversation

he describes some of the leaders about movement, and discusses the influence of abolitionist literature, such as narratives by former slaves and "uncle tom's cabin." this class is about 50 minutes. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] professor harris: let us get to work. today's session is three types of anti-slavery reforms. these for the hour is up, i want to hear reforms with rd

the abolitionists they did not want and to shut them down. it is still the assumption that certain types of speech to and are unacceptable. the two and slavery would break every chain to understand far from oppression which is something that the most bizarre and tragic if there is frederick douglass said the sensor and the tyrant cannot allow free speech. and how you liberate minorities to push back against absolute power. >>host: we hear politicians say that diversity. >> that what the by diversity now is a misnomer there without preferential quota nobody would object to achieving diversity but what is she to lower the standards and have quotas to destroy society. and with that ideology. and with that them feel the national government and the national science foundation pressuring every academic out there with computer science not to base upon merit but gender and race. passive death care? china. as long as they pursue excellent without regard to gender and race if a laboratory is all hispanic and those of the best qualified, fabulous. great

that abolitionist, maches william henry seward, lincoln's right hand, thought that black people were not assimilatable. he was giving out pardons after the civil war to con federal officers -- confederate officers so we arrived at almost the end of the civil war. february 1865, "the new york times," we must get cotton back into production. that means black labor and white ingenuity it and continued saying the black person must live side-by-side for centuries with the white person being elevated a few of whom will rise to the level of equality. so that is what we end up with in terms of the attitudes in the north. so how could we expect the reconstruction to be anything but a failure? not even as was said, splendid failure. it was failure. first of all there were troop withdrawals. the second thing was how do we deal with the 14th and the 15th amendment? george aboutwell, radical, republic from abolitionist massachusetts said we need give blacks the rights because then they won't come north. so there was the enormous fear in the white north there would be a migration of blacks north a

most of you know i'm from the east coast and grew up near an abolitionist. he moves to illinois later on. and love dijoy comes under assault from people that like his message. who do you suppose and what is your family and livelihood right? including garis onare targeted. this is a woman that grew up not far from where i grew up. she's going to write this novel one of the most powerful, riveting stories of date. she'll say later how can i write a book about slavery? and never been to the south before? what else is she learning in reading? give you a hint. she's reading slave narratives. she's able to construct this book. at the risk of spoiler alert, but whatever. she has different literary techniques in her book. a guy named uncle tom is a slave. and sometimes they want to make him into an overseer. so they want to take and make a slave an overseer. what do you have to do if you're ab overseer? what are you expected to do? >> you have to discipline them. what is the discipline? what is the most he greejis form? whipping them. yes. so read this book and it's

the boston authorities did not want abolitionists speaking and they shut him down. something that is very close to what is happening on college campuses today with slightly different political valences but still the assumption that certain types of speech constitute hate speech and are unacceptable. frederick douglass said the five years of free speech with end slavery, break every chain in the south. he understood that far from being oppression, which is something students alleged, was the most bizarre and tragic ignorance. they said free-speech was a means of oppressing minorities. frederick douglass realized just the opposite. he said the sensor and the tyrant cannot allow free-speech, they cannot allow freedom of thought. freedom of speech is how you liberate minorities by pushing back against absolute power. >> host: we hear politicians say about the us that our diversity is our strength. >> guest: what goes by diversity now is a misnomer. it is a fraud. what diversity means is preferential quotas. nobody would object to achieving maximum diversity if standards

boston in a commemoration for the abolition ist john brown, the boston authorities did not want abolitionistsspeaking and they shut him down, that's something very close to what is happening on college campuses today with slightly different political but still the assumption that certain types of speech constitute hate speech and unacceptable. frederick douglas said that 5 years of free speech would end slavery, would break every chain in the south, he understood that far from being oppression which is something that the pamona students was the most bizarre and tragic ignorance, they said that free speech was means of oppressing minorities, fredrik douglas realized the opposite, he said the sensor and tyrant cannot allow free speech. they cannot allow freedom of thought and freedom of peach is how you liberate minorities by pushing back against absolute power. >> host: we often hear politicians say about the u.s. that our diversity is our strength. >> guest: well, of course, but what we -- what goes by diversity now, that's a misnomer, it's a fraud, what diversity actually means is prifortial

we will hear the story of a union abolitionist who ran a spy ring out of richmond during the civil war. duane evans recounts time in southern afghanistan, shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. american history tv is in prime time every night this week. >>> each week, american history's tvs american artifacts explores the history of the united states through artifacts. next, we talked to house historian matthew wasniewski and curator farar elliott about the history of african- americans in congress in the 19th century and to see a collection of artifacts. >> the story of how african- americans come to congress in the 19th century is not one a lot of people are familiar with. we actually have 22 african- americans served between 1870 and 1901. 20 in the house. it has to do with the role of congress during the civil war and in the decade after. during the civil war, there were a group of radicals in congress. radical because they believed in the equality of african- americans and wanted to create a society in the south after the war that was a multiracial society. these were radicals

he describes the influence of abolitionist literature such as narrowness by former slate -- narrativesofessor harris: let us get to work. today's session is three types of anti-slavery were formed. these for the hour is up, i want to hear performs with regard to slavery. to -- if you were to look at americans in the 19th century, you would see they were reform minded. they have a lot of things they want to change. if i were to have you think about for a moment something you wanted to change in the 21st century, each of us could come up with things would want to see changed.

they had been abolitionists. liberale a very understanding of what kind of people ought to be admitted to citizenship and how they protect the rights of those people. there's a race riot at the polls in 1868 in south wyoming with some black citizens tried to vote. they were citizens by this time. some white citizens tried to prevent these african-american men from voting. the federal marshal comes in and enforces their right to vote. this is a moment when the federal presence is really trying to create an understanding about who belongs there. up a few years and follow up on steve's earlier point. the federal government is making a lot of decisions about the west. 1861 when moment in the southern states secede from the federal -- from congress to form the confederacy. i wonder if you could address what that means for the west. there is a period of years where the south doesn't get to decide what goes on in the west. >> it transforms the nation very dramatically. the homestead act, the pacific railway act, which w

>> grant comes from this abolitionist family. he marries into a slaveowning family. the kernel becomes the vein of his life and was very hard on grant. julia was very outgoing and vivacious. julia always had a vision of grant future that he sometimes did not have himself. during the 1850s, he's trying and failing to establish himself as a farmer in st. louis. he's failed at a real estate venture. julia has a dream. she dreams that her husband was going to be president of the united states. when she tells her friends and family about this dream, everyone laughs. nothing seemed more preposterous. this man is struggling to support a wife and four children. julia knew. >> you spent a fair amount in the book talking about grants struggle with alcohol. what did you conclude? did he have a problem with drinking and what evidence did you use to draw those conclusions? >> the debate has always been was he a drunkard or not? i was on the term drunkard was a loaded moralistic term because it implies a person who is dissipated and irresponsible and is gleefully indulging this vi

i'm an abolitionist, prison and police. a former public defender and currently a master's student at nyu studying policy and i'm curious to know, i'm a firm believer that the system is working exactly how it was intended to work. so until it is no longer, oppression will persist. so i'm curious to know your thoughts on abolition but any inspiring words for a young woman looking to affect policy in a positive way for communities of color. any advice that you have? thank you. >> before anyone answers, let's do this quickly. i'm going to try to get all of these questions in and then let everybody close out and we'll wrap. abolition is the first question. >> my name is alexis locket from arizona and i work at a college in arizona and so we have a lot of brown and black students. and i want to know as a millennial woman, young black woman, what can i do as an activist? i just feel like with my studies, i don't know if i'm doing enough what, is enough as a young millennial? >> thank you. nice question. >> hi. i'm j.d. and i'm fro

massachusetts, the birth place of the abolitionist and the suffragettes had never elected a woman ofistory of the house. we are the bastian of liberal politics, but we are rhetorically liberal. when we e stous diversity and inclusion, when it comes to power and wealth, the standards change. people thought it audacious after 16 years of my toiling in democratic politics, eight years as an elected official, three times as the top votegetter that i would run. in addition, that's 57% people of color. what would have been audacious is if i didn't run. what i want to say -- i want to acknowledge this. i knew it was going to be lonely and uphill and bruising because we don't primary democrats. i was up against a progressive good guy. 10 terms, 20 years. they had not had a choice for a generation. he earned 23% of the vote 20 years ago and had gone unchallenged for 20 years. i will say that establish folk will feel, i believe, more emboldened to black leadership if they know you have their back. we play -- if they know that you have their back, we play small. we play small because we are afr

early abolitionists came out of the revival movement that fenney had gotten going in rochester than along the erie canal. that is one of the reasons you see frederick douglass settled in rochester and publishes newspapers in rochester because the first women's rights convention was in seneca falls. those were the moral crusaders that came out of the revivals. to what isurn probably the best-known and most imaginative of all of these characters. joseph smith. familyas from a poor like many of the settlers along the canal. they lived in new england. they had a farm in vermont and they lost their farm. i mentioned the tedious work that went into creating a farm out of a forest. if you could not pay your mortgage, you did not get credit for that work. when you lost the farm, you lost up to 10 years of labor. suddenly it was gone. so they moved down to new york which straddles the canal. doing theyo work labor. -- day labor. oilcloth toainted to scrape up money for a down payment on a farm. joseph's contribution to the family funds in part came from acting as a scriber. powerss somebody who ha

she was hated by her neighbors because of her abolitionist sentiments. before she died, she wrote that she is held in contempt and scorn by narrowminded men and woman for my loyalty. she was socially living alone in the city of her birth as if she spoke a different language. there were active unionists, at the time, who were in richmond. one was samuel ruth, the superintendent of the richmond, and potomac railroad. he worked for the confederate government. sharpld go out to railroad timetables. what railroads were not working. railroads.repairs on grant would say, it would be nice at the supplies did not make it. ruth would give priority to nonmilitary trains. he came under suspicion and was arrested. so many of his friends from richmond came to his defense saying, no, he is an avid confederate. so they let him go. he returned to his job and continued to spy. one of the things sharp would benefit most from was interrogation of pows. they got most of their information this way. they were able to construct an elaborate order of battle chart, which made the

.- a larger end you get a range of different voices in the abolitionist spectrum, those who want to use violence to those who are pacifists. and i might put frederick douglass somewhere in between. isis not a pacifist but he not willing to commit acts of bloodshed, at least going into the confederate states. >> watch the entire class tonight at 8:00 and midnight eastern on our weekly series, lectures in history, only on american history tv. >> next on american history tv, a look at president woodrow wilson's decision in 1917 to enter world war i. englund is the author of "march 1917: on the brink of war and revolution." he talks about wilson's views on human rights, world affairs, democracy and the american role in the world. he spoke in gettysburg, pennsylvania. this is 40 minutes. welcome everyone. we are at the eisenhower professional historic site at gettysburg, pennsylvania. ofhave a complete program world war i reenactors and soldiers, reenactment programs as well as speakers. our next speaker is will englu nd. will is a veteran moscow correspondent for "the baltimore

the actions flew in the face of celebrated black abolitionists frederick douglass and william wells brown. advocatedd brown temperance, like prominent reformers who believed of staining from alcohol could improve the individual and the nation. douglas and brown further argued that alcohol function as a cheap release that rob black men of their will to resist oppression. slave men understood drunkenness as a means of liberation, and slaves in the army continued indulging in this protest. during slavery, enslaved men and women escaped the totalizing oppression of plantations by throwing parties beyond controlling masters. the parties allowed enslaved people to take control of their bodies in ways that the slave owners did not intend. women reclaimed their bodies primarily through dressing up. donnedn fancy close -- fancy clothes like white women. and even alcohol, though it broke from the thinking of important black individuals -- soldiers continued to use alcohol as a means of liberation. whiskey alsoter -- freed his body. being captured by police and civilians clothes after new orleans ni

he describes the influence of abolitionist literature such as andatives by former slaves the novel "uncle tom's cabin." professor harris: let us get to work. today's session is three types of anti-slavery reforms. hopefully, before the hour is up, i want to introduce you to three times of reforms with regard to slavery.

british colony to another, what is going on hamilton and his friends call themselves revolutionary abolitionists? what gets left out of the story and how might it have been different if other historical included? been second, we wanted to better understand the nature of this particular cultural production and particularly to assess the this isd claim that is autionary, hamilton revolutionary, "hamilton" is a revolutionary musical. they look at the musical in terms of where it fits in broader genres of representations of the founding fathers, of other popular cultural productions, where it fits in theater history, and finally in part three of the book, we wanted to explore why the musical is resonating so profoundly with such a wide public and what its popularity might tell us about our contemporary political and cultural moments. the essays examine the success of the musical and what it might demonstrate about our own time. some explore why the soundscape has such a strong appeal to listeners. other essays explore miranda's ability to create a vibrant fan community using social media and we also

colony to another, what is going on when hamilton and his friends call themselves revolutionary abolitionists? a list of terms that historically makes no sense, and what does that tell us about how to play represents and talks about slavery? what gets left out of the story and how might it have been different if other historical truths have been included? second, we wanted to better understand the nature of this particular cultural production and particularly to assess the off heard claim that this is revolutionary, hamilton is a revolutionary, "hamilton" is a revolutionary musical. the essays in part two of the book explain what is new and what is not so new about what lin-manuel miranda and hamilton are doing. they look at the musical in terms of where it fits in broader genres of representations of the founding fathers, of other popular cultural productions, where it fits in theater history, and other kinds of monster hits. finally in part three of the book, we wanted to explore why the musical is resonating so profoundly with such a wide public and what its popularity might tell us about

because it was all there in the ways in which the abolitionists thought the numbers of abolitionists who truly had a conception of african culture african men and women as in any way equal to them was relatively small. even the most egalitarian of the abolitionists assume that you know british culture is civilized evolved at cetera et cetera i mean that's part of the that's part of our understanding. once they had progressed deep into the continent the europeans built railways from the interior to the coasts. at the end of the lines the capitals of the new colonies group the car lagos'. one block or two on the cape town doris all the cotton palm oil rubber cocoa and ivory were transported to these ports then shipped all over the world. i mean i'm not going to. get into that. at the time colonial conquest african political powers with whom the europeans have been trading for five centuries but deprived of all the rights. brazil one of the first territories to see sugarcane fields flourish was one of the last to ban slavery. on may thirteenth each mediate the embers of brazil ratify th

some are from very different backgrounds and get excited about abigail adams in that case or the abolitionist movement of the 19th century. you have to walk the balance of not presuming that because you have a background you're interested in this and allow for the fascinating part of history that could capture somebody. >> if i could jump in. i don't actually run a historic home. >> but you run a center. you run an organization dedicated to it. >> it is an academic program, but i did want to use this as an opportunity to have shot up for their stork -- a historic home. thehomes of bring us to place where the research is and where the people moved or where the archives are that we might not find. in my case it was the harding in marylando people -- marion, ohio. a woman took me to her house when i worked there. it is just wonderful. to get back to your question about what animates us, as the moderator noted, i started out studying spies. struck. been maligned and left at with no credibility she knew what she was talking about. she liked digging, also. she had an interesting story. what animate

from a very different background could get quite excited about abigail adams in my case or the abolitionist movement of the 19th century. we have to walk that balance of not presuming because you're of a certain backgrounds or race or gender that you're interested in this track and maybe allow for the fascinating part of history that could just capture somebody. >> if i could jump in. >> please. >> i want to make a correction. i don't actually run an historic home, i'm sorry to say. >> but you run a center, right? you run an organization dedicated to the study of -- >> sure, thank you. it's an academic program at my school. you're absolutely right. but i did want to use this as an opportunity to first shout out to an historic home, as we have all benefitted from that helped many of us us, right, we can't do our work without these homes because they bring us to the place where the research is, where the people lived or where their archives are that we might not otherwise find. in my case it was the harding home and also people in marion, ohio, who were incredibly kind to me. a woman named el

declare sex a suspect criterion, we urge a position forcibly stated in 1837 by sarah grimke, noted abolitionisthts for men and women. she said, "i ask no favor for my sex. all i ask of our brethren is that they take their feet off our necks." >> we're told about the decision when a reporter called us up and said it went in your favor today. how do you feel? i said, i feel fine. thank you very much. >> we were both happy that we won the case. let's be clear about it. we won the case. but we lost the standard of review that we wanted by one vote. >> she tried to make the case that sex discrimination should be treated like race discrimination. four justices signed on to that idea. the problem was you need five. >> i said, it's too soon. my expectation, to be candid, was that i would repeat that kind of argument maybe half a dozen times. i didn't expect it to happen in one fell swoop. i think generally in our society, real change, enduring change happens one step at a time. when we were dating, we used to get excited about things like concert tickets or a new snowboard. matt: whoo! whoo! jen: but t

it was stated in stated in 1837 by sarah grimpky, a noted abolitionist who said i ask no favor for mye're told about the decision when a reporter called us up and said it went in your favor today. how do you feel? >> i said i feel fine, thank you very much. >> we were both happy that we won the camps i mean, let's be clear about it. we won the case, but we lost the standard of review that we wanted by one vote. >> she tried to make the case that sex discrimination should be treated like race discrimination. four justices signed on to that idea. the problem was you need five. >> and i said it's too soon. my expectation to be candid was that i would repeat that kind of argument maybe half a dozen times. i think generally in our society real change, enduring change, happens one step at a time. >>> she is very disciplined, but what do you mean it's not working out, craig? i just introduced you to my parents. psst! craig and sheila broke up. what, really? craig and shelia broke up!? no, craig!? what happened? i don't know. is she okay? ♪ craig and sheila broke up! craig and sheila!? ♪ as l

they are fascinating, and somebody from a different background can get excited about the abolitionist move of the 19th century, and we have to walk that balance of not presuming that you are of a certain background and race and je jender that you are interested in this track, and allow for the kind of the fascinating part of history that can capture somebody. if i could jump in. >> please. >> i wanted to make a correction, because i don't run the historic home, i am sorry to say. >> but you run a center, right? an organization dedicated to the study of -- >> sure. well, it is an academic program at my school, and you are right, and i did want to use it as an opportunity to benefit the historic ohome that is going to benefit many of us, because we can't do the work without the home homes, because they bring us to the place where the research is or where the people lived or the archives are that we might not otherwise find. in my case, it was the harding home, and the people in marian, ohio, who were kind to me, and a very elderly woman who took me home to her house when i came to work

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