let ask y, chris, ' been hearing abouthe repupublicans. something has got to give on obamacare. ll anything change in ththe end? >> no, that's the shorort answe. the best way to look at the governnt shutdown is basically a proxy war over obamacare. ththe president has de i abundantly clear that this i basilly his second term legacy . it's not o only the passage of e law, but protection n of the la. >> were hea from john boehner. he would not aow governmenent shutdown. you wewere sayaying even behehi- scenes, thing will change? >> president oba and the congressional democrats are as unified as i've ever seen the on a single issue. they believe this would be the equivalent o of paying a ransom. all we're talking about our short-term patches. the idea that the president is gointo give a huge, ceremonial , and then relitigate this again dodoes not seem realistic. we' got to get to the break. she has been announci her upcoming retirement. what makes barbara lange s successful? effective ati so hejob, s she has been n a tremendous claborator. could not have asked for better partner at