i think i can squeeze in between abraham baldwin from georgia. he was the last guy to sign. he is gesturing toward the constitution itself. now i'm standing between george washington and james madison. and you can see george washington is the tallest man in the room at 6'2", he is towering over everyone else. his physical presence. he is commanding in every respect. and james madison over whom i am absolutely towering, i think he was 5'4", so thin boned and wan. he had epilepsy. he had challenges in ealth. there is a great new biography -- lynne cheney came to the recently n center and talked about how his physical frailty shaped his ideas and created this great man, the father of the constitution if there was a single father who was so devoted to moderation and pragmatism and compromise. and really the great genius of the constitution was the balancing and mixing of interests. the challenge for the men in this room was how the balance, interest that seemed at times irreconcilable. the difference was over the power of large states versus small states. who should prevail? the

thomas jefferson, washington, franklin or a dude named abraham baldwin. >> you're all right.omas jefferson. he was in paris. he was a minister to france. >> right. >> john hancock didn't sign it either. >> don't make any excuses for jefferson. >> jefferson was out of town. >> i like that tre value go guy. >> why do we say john hancock? >> they were both abroad. >> let's see if we can get back to the liberty bell. >> that was the declaration, not the constitution, right? >> that was the constitution. >> can you see i'm really enjoying this? >> having a good time. >> how much does the liberty bell weigh? what do you think? 950? >> what about for the people on the radio? >> 950, 1,200, 2,080 or 3,000 pounds? >> i took the tour at the liberty bell. >> do you remember what they said? >> i'm going with "b." >> the answer is -- brian, you're wrong. the answer is "c." >> take that, brian. >> made off tin, traces of lead, zinc, arsenic, gold and silver. >> really? >> how much do you do? do you walk around philadelphia all the time reinvigorating your knowledge of history? >> all the t