and the irony is that john brown and abraham lincoln it, what you do about it, john brown said, take a violent route to get it to emancipation amram lincoln said we will take the peaceful route for the most point of with the same, abraham lincoln 600,700,000 people die but the end is the result the john brown wanted a from sized. >> thank you both so much, those were wonderful talks holy god question simeon had ordering minor beers at home that you can post questions on facebook or twitter and youtube, and we will read them on the air. and i will start bill, with you, can you talk a little bit, if you post them upon talking about frederick douglass and his season lincoln and can you talk about douglass' experiences with these two men and how douglass viewed them pretty. >> for small, as a part where john brennan abraham lincoln, if they had existed or something like him, because sort of a parallel lives of john brown and abraham lincoln at the same time but they never met each other in the paths never met directly in dealing with the same nation bit different perspectives and short te