do want a foot for our forefathers up abraham isaac and jacob and their wives are old buried here in hebron peace so it has been in jewish place for thousands of years. was it's nice to know. no committee for the stone the fruits of what this state is a jewish state and we are here to stay because four thousand years ago god promised this land to the jewish family. we have a divine right to this land neither through war nor violence but as a gift from god. well. you're a trader not. may your name be forgotten was. a low there we are from jerusalem today. the former soldier in hebron informs journalists diplomats and others about the situation in hebron if someone is willing to listen someone is willing to syria that i don't have the right not to take the reason why i wake up in the morning and i go to sleep at night and then the next morning i wake up and still do what i do is because i don't have another option because if i'm not part of a solution i'm part of the problem. i can do it in a different way i can do it in a different place israel is my home this is where i live. i just

you know, i have deep, deep connections to this land, the land of israel, the land of abraham, isaac, and jay skob. jacob is the father of benjamin, my namesake. 4,000 years connected to this land. i recognize this in other people living there. let's sit down and work out a solution. you tell me, now president abbas comes and says this land has been sacred for muslims and christians for 2000 years. hello! you know, we have been around there 2,000 years. jesus came from a certain place. you know, there's this bible thing which precedes it. what is this? why can't you recognize our history? why can't you recognize the jewish connection to the jewish land and work on recognizing the past, seize the future? i'm willing to do that. i gave a speech. you heard my speech. i wouldn't say it was a softy speech. it was a tough speech, but conciliatory. here is my hand. reach out, grasp it. let's make peace. if you ask me, what is the main thing, the simple thing, if you strip away everything in all the arguments, the fact is, david, you can tell me now, you can ask me a question. are you willing

kind of going a ride because he he didn't know his bible very well you want to talk about the abraham and isaac story and thought that was in the new testament so we didn't get very far but exactly but that we you know and so i was trying to tell them look in a way this is my practice i write about what people believe in what that's a very that's a very full practice i'm not a seeker and i think sometimes when you read about religion people soon that you are looking for the answer you know like looking for a way to put myself out of work. i'm looking for questions and the questions you raise are fascinating tell us about ron luce and battle cry what what do you think animated this guy and how did this organization you write about how you know after . it was you that nine eleven wasn't. it. yeah no no it was. the shooting the high school sure. yeah yeah columbine the columbine shootings yeah that was really kind of yeah and he ended up speaking to like a quarter million kids and poleon the ones that he thought into his i'll use the word car. in his organization talks about this. well yeah i mean

it's the burial place of the matriarchs and the patriarchs, of abraham and isaac and jacob and sarahed has traded between being a mosque and a church many times in the last 1,800 years. and for jews to be able to go back to that place, where the founding fathers and mothers are buried, is unbelievable. to be able, at the age of 18 or 19, to say, "this is where i belong after thousands of years of exile," is intoxicating. you believe anything is possible. ( gunshots ) i really don't remember until it got so out of control that people i knew committed murder. ( crowd yelling ) i don't think that i thought for a minute about the impact of my beliefs on other human beings who didn't share them. ( gunshots ) other people were just wrong. it's amazing how good religion is at mobilizing people to do awful, murderous things. there is this dark side to it, and anyone who loves religious experience, including me, better begin to own there is a serious shadow side to this thing. >> perhaps the most dangerous element that was picked out of the muslim tradition and changed and transformed in the