and abrahm lustgarten, a reporter at "pro-publica" and author of "run to failure: bp and the making of deepwater horizon disasr." we asked both the department of justice and b.p. to join us. they declined our invitation. john young, an initial reaction to today's settlement? >> well, it's the first major step, and let's not forget the 11 workers who lost their lives and their family members who lost loved ones but the fact that it's the largest criminal fine in u.s. history i think is appropriate in light of the fact that the b.p. oil disaster was the largest environmental disaster in u.s. history. but, agin it's just a first step. the civil awards and damages that need to be assessed against b.p. so that we're made whole down here in louisiana and in the entire gulf coast. >> brown: we'll come back to that but let me ask abrahm lustgarten of the criminal indictments in particular of the company as well as several individuals. >> yeah, i mean, i have to agree i think this is a very significant step and most significant, in my opinion, is the indictment of three senior b.p. managers. b.