anything jack abramoff and i did, i ate sushi with jack abramoff and i went to scotland with jack abramoff. if i'm a lobbyist and you're a congressman today, i give true examples in the book that happened. examples in the book sometimes with names omitted for a reason. you can produce names. if i want to i can take you to alaska. we can hunt. we can have a $3000 to $4000 dinner. ando that and i can raise you $75,000. i can then take you a staffer and may be some of your family, we can have a $2000 or $3000 a dinner. it's all legal. as long as we stand and at the reception and eat. i can have meals. alice fisher in her announcement, see said congressman used fundraiser. everybody on that hill today. i was charged, i pled guilty. give me break. the entire >> what do you mean by a lohse? >> those are the types of things where they say, he used private allowance. >> here's some video, tom rogers you mentioned. i want to you take a look at him and you can tell us what role he played. [video clip] >> there's not too many native americans in the country. i had people who trusted me who came to me

and, of course, abramoff was involved in the money raising. >> abramoff, when he came out, lectured. and i said how much money -- [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> $20 million. spooking after he got -- speaking after he got out, he said $20 million. >> think about it, to what purpose? to what end? i mean, this man has been in jail, he's gotten out of jail, he's -- [inaudible conversations] >> he wrote about it in the book. he was rove-whacked, not bush-whacked. >> here's the purpose, if i could butt in -- >> please. >> one, it's about gambling. you see, siegelman wanted to let legalized gambling in the door through the lottery. and the mississippi -- [inaudible] didn't want that. they wanted -- [inaudible] the other thing is the judge, the second judge who you write about in your book, fuller -- [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] and nobody knew about it. so this goes to the heart of the military industrial complex when a judge who owned 44% of the company not -- got a $300 million contract, and nobody knew about it. >> i think we're going to come to your book signing. >> n

of course, abramoff was involved in this. [inaudible conversations] >> $20 million is not an easy amount. [inaudible conversations] >> but to what end? this man has been in and out of jail. he was on the road a lot. [inaudible conversations] >> the amounts of money, many one of them. in the midst of the casino on her hands, now, it was interesting and they didn't want it. the administration, i mean -- $300 million in contracts. and nobody knew about it. so this goes to show you. a judge said 44% of his company -- nobody knew about it. [inaudible conversations] >> i didn't know. i found it very fascinating. i mean, of course, abramoff as well. i thought that was interesting. we have referred to it in our family before. i did something i swore i wouldn't do, which was listen to alan on her telling me that i needed to do radio. i need to be quiet and listen to this. she said you have working history of politics and government, and i said yes, i do. the first show that i did have to do with tom hartman and two he was, i have a lo

and, of course, abramoff was involved in the money raising. >> abramoff, when he came out, i went to one of his lectures, and i said how much money did you -- [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> yeah. $20 million. by the way, it's not -- [inaudible] when he got out. he said $20 million. >> to what end? this man has been in jail -- >> here's the kicker -- [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> he wrote about it in the book. he was -- [inaudible] here's the purpose -- >> please. >> because i -- the amounts of money, you see, siegelman wanted the legalized gambling through the lottery. the mississippi casino owners were the ones who gave the $20 million. they didn't wt that. >> wow. >> the other thing is that the judge, the second judge -- [inaudible] >> fuller. >> he secretly owned -- [inaudible] the busdministration gave -- [inaudible] and nobody knew about it. so this goes to the heart of the military industrial complex when a judge who owns 44% of the company, 300 million in contracts, and nobody knew about it. >> i think we're going to come to your book signing. >> no, no. [

[inaudible conversations] acquires abramoff was involved. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] you see coming siegel man wanted to legalize gambling in the door appeared they wanted people -- [inaudible] the other thing is the second judge. [inaudible conversations] service goes to the heart of the question. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> when i got out of morgantown federal prison, three lovely be referred to in our family is the bush housing program at edtime, i did something i swore i wouldn't do, which was to listen to alan rat are telling me i needed to the radio. i said i don't eat anything public. i need to be quiet and sit around a little bit. you have some experiences and knowledge are working history of the politics and government, so do it. the first show we did, alan did it with me. of course i knew tom harkin was. and it doesn't matter be classified. he spared and he knows journalism. ethan accomplished author and other fields that had been interested to see some of this book. so i was litt

i did it to myself so i don't sit here saying jack abramoff made me. i made the decision but i watched him on 60 minutes, i could feel some empathy having been in prison. but beyond that i wondered where jack was going with his version of history. when i heard 100 members at $10 million, the short end of that stake is the money. but i sat there in all seriousness and thought i want to tell my end of this. i know the headlines but i wanted to make it more than that. that is part of the story and i told the story and i get asked constantly, don't you live in ohio, i am in the district, parts of the district and get asked all the time what happens? this book tells a very complicated story, not as easy as having dinner and here i go. it is a complicated story where i have my part and there are other parts, the perfect storm, where put together the outside influence to help with the idiocy i created. very important to me and i want to mention this, deals with iran and the opportunity we missed as a country to have a deal where iran was recognized, where ira

jack abramoff and i go away and stop people with felonies didn't change anything. to my dismay people feel more comfortable, but it didn't change things. i ended it with a quote i really like basically to paraphrase, i had an addiction and today there's another addiction to campaign contributions and they need an intervention and it's the public to the public and do an intervention come and make it a beautiful place, make it even better. i address a lot of issues in the book and i hope it's not just the dead is one issue or attacking one person. i'm not a bitter person. i spent time with my granddaughter today. i get to go to india. i get to do radio. people at the right or left or the middle get their voice out there and tell people a story of what's going on in their government. the journalistic side of this is critical. so i'm happy. i'm not a person who's unhappy and angry and want to get everybody, but there's things i had to tell. i couldn't leave it out. so custom harper, dressmaker mother said this too shall pass. she just didn't tommy sometimes it takes a