abrams is trying to calculate just how much labor the king had under his command.equired to build the palace of 18 rabbit ? abrams: it would be wonderful to observe mayan indians building the structures that they built at copan. of course, that's impossible so we have to set up experiments which replicate the behaviors as best as possible. keach: abrams times each of the construction phases as the maya might have performed them. knowing the maya used only stone tools, abrams estimates that two people could quarry over 3,000 pounds of rock in a day. he times the other processes like transportation, knowing that the maya had no wheels or draft animals. abrams also times the manufacture of the blocks and construction of part of a wall. five cubic feet takes 80 minutes. by measuring all the walls in a building, abrams estimates the time needed to complete the masonry. he then adds this figure to the times for other processes like back-filling dirt behind the walls and plastering the exterior. abrams: i selected structure 22 to quantify as an example of royal palaces in

joining me from boston is terrorism analyst max abrams. thanks for speaking to us.s we were hearing, the administration in washington really keen to portray the killing as a success but how much of an advantage does it give the in the fight against isil? >> i mean there is no question that it was an operational success. the united states has been very operationally successful in terms of taking out, you know, the most important islamic state leaders. by some estimates the top 43 islamic state leaders, 19 of them have successfully been taken out. the main leader bagdadi seems to have been sidelined from a drone strike on march 18th and his supposed replacement, his deputy has been killed and so operationally, we have been very very successful however, we are just not seeing results on the ground. islamic state continues to expand and certainly in syria and now even in iraq, it's on the verge of taking over ramadi the capital of anbar. country islamic state controls about 90% of anbar. there are affiliates popping up all over the world from yemen to the sinaii, to lib

. >> reporter: mornings in the abrams' household are always busy. with two young children and two working parents, getting out the door is not easy so it's not unusual for 6-year-old nicholas abrams to practice math on his ipad. >> it's one of his favorite things to do especially for educational stuff. it's a great thing for him. >> reporter: it's been helping nicholas learn for years. putting the tablet in his tiny hands came with concerns. >> personally i didn't want any games, you know. if there was going to be something on the phone, then it needed to be educational. >> reporter: it's a decision every parent now and in the last few years has had to make. according to one study, more than 70% of children under 12 use tablets. nearly 40% between the ages of 2 and 4 play with some type of mobile device in their hands. >> it's just not necessary for what we want to accomplish with our kids. >> reporter: he is a family therapist who believes toddlers should be learning about the world and tablets get into the way. >> there's lots of educational value

and they also used the word abram usually.ther abram ♪ ♪ 300,000 more ♪ ♪ from mississippi's winding tree and from new england shore ♪ ♪ we leave our plows and workshops ♪ ♪ our wives and children dear ♪ ♪ with hearts too full for utterance but we're the silent tear ♪ ♪ we dare not look behind us but stead lastly before ♪ ♪ we are coming father abram ham ♪ ♪ 300,000 more ♪ ♪ we are coming ♪ ♪ we are coming ♪ ♪ our union to restore ♪ ♪ we are coming father abraham ♪ ♪ 300,000 more ♪ there are 300,000 more verses, too. i don't know how they ever memorized all of these songs. anyway. but now i wanted in my book also to represent the more negative views of lincoln in his own lifetime. and there were people called copperheads who were basically democrats, northern democrats who didn't like the war and they didn't like lincoln. and you can see there are negative images on these books. this one was a poem. both of these books present lincoln as a devilish tyrant who violated the bible and trampled the constitution and threatened to d

abrams and chuck lorre are not saying that their shows are making the world a better place.is a different culture. they do not flash wealth in silicon valley the way they do in hollywood. alec: you cannot have a car because it is pompous but you can fly 50 friends to france and have a party. emily: your movie, "idiocracy," portrays a world in which people are getting stupider. we do not have to drive today thanks to uber, we do not have to cook. groceries are delivered. are we on a path to a real-world idiocracy? mike: yes, probably so. i would not take that movie too seriously. that is just exaggerating things. maybe it is making the world a better place. i like uber. emily: who in tech is overdue for lampooning? mike: tom perkins. alec: there is so much lag time between when we write and when the show comes on, we write in june and it comes on in april. 10 months from when we write to when it hits air. so much of what happens that we want to go after happens after we have written shows but before we air. emily: your writing history before it happens. mike: sometimes we hav

joining me to take a deeper dive into the report is our bloomberg news reporter, matthew, and jonathan abramsho was a cofounder back in the day. sarah, what are the most important things we need to know? break it down? sarah: what she does is she takes the great things happening and distills them down so we have three hours on our phone. we have about 40% of the internet, about 40% of the world population on the internet, so there are just some things that are incredible, and some things that just jumped out from a growth perspective is that advertising is still locally on the desk top. we went to see more advertising happening on mobile. that is still very young. and she says the consumer internet has been very quickly populated by apps and games and everything, but there are still sectors of the economy that have not been touched by the economy yet, or in a very impactful way. emily: one of the things she pointed out is how users are sort of reimagining the internet, not just as content raters. jonathan, is that something you are seeing? jonathan: generation is all what tivo is about, and u

abrams and chuck lorre are not saying that their shows are making the world a better place by makinge laugh, they just want to make good stuff. it is a different culture. they just have more money of yourup here, is all. emily: a lot. mike: they do not flash wealth in silicon valley the way they do in hollywood. alec: you cannot have a car because it is pompous but you can fly 50 friends to france and have a million-dollar party. emily: your movie, "idiocracy," portrays a future in which people are getting stupider because everything is so easy. now we live in a world where we don't have to drive, thanks to uber, we do not have to cook. my groceries get delivered to me by amazon. are we on a path to a real-world idiocracy? mike: yes, probably so. [laughter] mike: i would not take that movie too seriously. that is just exaggerating things the way they are. maybe it is making the world a better place. i like uber. emily: who in tech is overdue for lampooning? mike: tom perkins. [laughter] alec: there is so much lag time between when we write and when it airs -- we write in june and it

dan abrams, we really appreciate it.hanks for your analysis this morning. >> let's turn it over to ron claiborne. eats -- it's proven to be a very busy morning. >> we begin with mayday demonstrations from coast to coast taking a violent turn in in some places. marchers hurled wrenches and rocks at officers and hit police with sticks in seattle, washington on friday. police responded with pepper spray and flash-bang grenades. two officers were injured seriously. in california vandals smashed car windows and storefronts in a protest against police brutality. here in new york prosecutors stormed the guggenheim museum angry about overseas rules. >>> a flight had to make an emergency landing soon after a takeoff from maui. 224 passengers got off the aircraft using the plane's vac evacuation slides. the flight turned back because of an odor of fumes in the cabin. two people were injured coming down those slides. >>> new jersey governor chris christie wants a front-runner for the g.o.p. faces new political fallout after federal

. >>> and dan abrams with me now. any question of an appeal? >> no question it will start fast and take a long time. it will take years if not decades. and the best he could hope for, a new trial. and that's unlikely. >> and the defense will likely focus on three jurors? >> that seem to have accepted the heart of the defense's argument. they still voted for death, but i expect the attorneys are going to focus on them in particular. >> and you point out, it could be years, if not decades ahead. >>> and 40 million americans bracing for a blast of severe weather tonight into tomorrow. tornado watches, and reports of twisters already touching down. this funnel cloud, on highway 52 near denver. the hail making for a miserable drive home. and cars in fresno stranded. and in west hollywood, california drenching rains. a waterfall on the staircase. rob marciano from texas tonight. >> reporter: tonight, severe storms firing up. this funnel cloud in colorado. downed trees and a tornado reported near corpus christi, texas. people sheltering in this baseme

abrams and chuck lorre are not saying, my shows are making the world a better place by making people. you just want to make good stuff. it is a different culture. they just have more money up here. that is all. emily: a lot. mike: they do not flash wealth in silicon valley the way they do in hollywood. were especially the way they used to 20 years ago. alec: it is an interesting code. you cannot drive a car because it is pompous but you can fly 50 friends to france and have a million-dollar party. emily: or burning man, right. mike, your movie, "idiocracy," portrays a world in which people becauseing stupider everything is so easy, and they are lazy. we do not have to drive today thanks to uber, we do not have to cook. groceries are delivered by instacart. are we on a path to a real-world idiocracy? mike: yes, probably so. [laughter] mike: i don't know. i would not take that movie too seriously. that is just exaggerating things the way they are. i mean, maybe it is making the world a better place. i like uber. emily: who in tech is most overdue for lampooning? mike: tom perkins. if i

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. >>> and dan abrams with me now. is there any question of an appeal here? >> no question, it will start fast, and take a long time. it could take years if not decades. and remember, the best he could hope for, a new trial. and that's unlikely. >> and you were telling me the defense moving forward will likely focus on three jurors? >> they seem to have accepted the heart of the defense's argument. which is, he wouldn't have done this if not for his brother's influence. they still voted for death, but i expect the attorneys are going to focus on them in particular. >> and you point out, it could be years, if not decades ahead. dan, thank you. >>> and 40 million americans bracing for a blast of severe weather tonight into tomorrow. tornado watches. colorado, nebraska, wyoming. and reports of twisters already touching down. this funnel cloud, on highway 52 near denver. listen to this. the hail making for a miserable drive home. flash flood watches from southern california to oklahoma. this highway under water. and cars in fresno stranded. water up to the hood.

it supposed to take on the abrams.the american tank, it goes faster than the american tank. particularly after one of them stalled right in front of lenin's muzzle liam on tuesday or wednesday at a rehearsal for the parade and was stranded for half an hour he sat there. it eventually got out of there. i think people say that's impressive, this is something me to watch and learn more. they had a good showing on saturday. there was this embarrassing incident earlier in the week. it might not be until september when we get the big arms show in russia when we see some live fire exercises to see how important this tank is. it is the newest, baddest tank produced by anybody out there. it is meaningful to the russian military. this could be completely robotic in future generations. it's like what people do sitting in nevada with american drones but a tank on the battlefield. it will help russia strategically and geopolitically creating annoyances to american military power around the world. francine: we know there is going to

with our c-n-n partnership.lemor abrams reports. >> "it's of him raising his hand you know being happyporter: friends showed us a picture of 13 year old --marcos trujillo waving to the camera. they say it was taken hours before he died - during a driving lesson. >> "i don't know it's just very hard to believe i mean i don't know how this happened." >> reporter: california highway patrol says it happened about 8:45 friday night. officers say the boy was behind the wheel, going the speed limit- 55 miles per hour. his father was in the passenger seat--teaching him how to drive. >> "it is a country road, it's two lane. it's dark out here. there's minimal lighting." >> reporter: officers tell us the boy lost control on this gravel road --and overturned into this ten foot ditch. but friends tell us learning how to drive out here isn't uncommon. >> "here is esparto it's much easier than anything because of the farms, the back roads anything." >> reporter: outside the trujillo house- family members ask for privacy. their neighbors- having a hard time comprehending such a loss. >> "it blows you

i will be talking to jonathan abrams who founded a company .hich curates your twitter feed but will people use apps like that? these are things we will be discussing coming up on "bloomberg west." gox: still ahead, why costs is the king of the bulk consumer. we will ask a longtime retail executive, next. ♪ watching-stop we are as we head to the closes cosco. the warehouse chain is winning the hearts of old shoppers, surpassing sam's club, which saw its worst first or sales decline in years. joining me now is someone who is known as the pioneer in the big stenberg, whomas serves as a vc investor at places like lululemon. thank you for joining us. tom: thank you for having me. sales willow cosco be up about 4.4%. what is cost go doing right that sam's club is not? tom: cosco has always had a very strong is this focus. they aim at the very serious business customer and try to pick up the serious consumer and high and consumer user as an ancillary byproduct. sam's has always had more of a consumer focus and ultimately, the cosco strategy will prove more effective. morgan stanley added cost go

>> let's talk to dan abrams. what happened inside the van is the key question. >> the police have handed over their file to prosecutors. to the state's attorney's office. that doesn't mean they'll accept as gospel what they have gotten from police. they'll evaluate does this story add up? do they believe the police? then comes the crucial question let's assume they believe there was some wrong doing. to the point where they thing it was even criminal. do we believe it was intentional or do we believe it was negligent? you can still find criminal action if there was negligence. could it be a civil suit or does it rise to the level of criminal? >> they did not put handcuffs on freddie gray. would that be enough along with a rough ride toe a criminal charge? >> it will totally depend on the intention. as jim points out, if the goal was to give him a rough ride in the back and as a result of what typically were just rough rides and a little bit of a lesson but in this case he died thaet could be criminal conduct.alki

dan abrams here now.a hearing? >> really unusual. it tells you how serious this court thinks the violation is. she can't see the kids unless she turns over their passports? the court saying that's unakccept unacceptable unacceptable. this is in addition to other things he's done to violate the court order. he was supposed to aflypply for a visa. it hasn't. monaco now establishing the kids as residents of monaco. they're supposed to remain u.s. citizen children. i think there is a series of violations here that finally led the california court to say, wait a second. >> how about the fact that both parents should be able to see the kids? >> absolutely. how is that going to happen. the end result is how is it best going to happen that they can both see the kids. >> this is not over. it's been going on for some time. i'm sure the father will appeal. it will continue. >> she doesn't have the kids yet. he first has to get served with the california order. they have to inform him. then they have the monaco court

stephanie abrams tells us more about the storm from myrtle beach, south carolina. >> reporter: just ait of rain and also winds 5 to 10 miles an hour. it's not terrible but a rip current which is will worse around low tide. that's happening at 4:00 p.m. an hour or two before or after. there's this big high pressure off to the northeast bringing warm temperatures and that high pressure is acting like a defensive line. it's blocking the low pressure from moving north. this low will hang around the carolina coast as we head through the weekend. it's going to be pesky and annoying but we don't anticipate anything wrong. if it gets name it will be anna. it doesn't really matter. the affects will still be the same though it's on the chilly side. the air temperature this morning into the 60s. water temperature in the 80s. this thing is trying to get its act together but it is struggling a bit. back to you. >>> clean up operations are under way in oklahoma after several tornadoes touched down there last night. an rv park in oklahoma city was destroyed in the storm. a dozen people were hurt. se

i interviewed floyd abram who is is an iconic liberal. he said the lawyers that the progressive scholars that he had is through the first amendment center, they have been taught it's not against the government, but it's an impediment to policy. you have legal scholars that are giving us too much protection for speech. you have major first amendment scholars suggesting that maybe we need that. >>> we now at the point where there these icons who are saying the first amendment is not what the founding fathers intended it to be and don't use it as a defense because if you can get involved in hate speech, we are coming after you. >> that is where we are headed unfortunately and it's terrifying. >> great powers. the silencing how the left is killing free speech. you should get it. >> thanks. >> coming up, my justice exclusive. to leave islam and convert to christianity. why would she do that? next. . >> welcome back to justice. after converting for islam to christianity, she lived in fear of becoming the victim of an honor killing. now they are

let's talk about it with dan abrams and nancy grace. they are back. different from carla dustin's case. carla had chemotherapy. that was her last chance at having children. unlike this case, where nick loeb is 39 years old and is fully capable of having more children. not only that, in carla's case, there was no written clause. in sofia vergara's case, there's a document they both signed that said you cannot go full term with these embryos unless both parties agree. also, onion crunch. i think this is all a p.r. ploy for nick loeb, laugh if you want, but remember, he reportedly tried to sneak onion crunch into the white house. that's his product. he's getting tons of p.r. off of this for his product. >> nancy just gave him a little more. um, the -- look, this is not a closed case. as far as i'm concerned. >> that's right. i had to look it up and find out what it is. >> this isn't a closed case. for both the reasons nancy lays out. number one, the contract is so clear. he says, it's not a contract. it was just a form i filled out. sorry, but, you both

when the abrams tank opened fire, they killed two reporters. one was on the balcony reporting on what was happening. he was with reuters. the reason another on a balcony filming for a network in spain. both of them were immediately killed, and many were wounded on that day. that was april 8, 2003. you come to the summer, this is the summer of 2003, another reuters the agar for, one of their finest, was outside what would later become world-famous ipo grape -- abu ghraib. they talked talked u.s. soldiers, but within minutes he filmed his own death, as the u.s. soldiers attacked him. he said we had just been speaking with soldiers. later a pentagon spokesperson said they accidentally engaged a cameraman. take this forward to the beginning, january of 2004. remember ethan jordan. he was inadvertently caught on a microphone at the world economic forum saying the u.s. military had targeted a dozen journalists who had been killed in iraq. it was a great firestorm, and ultimately he resigned, after 23 years at cnn not wanting cnn to become a target. j

. >>> pierre thomas covers the fbi and dan abrams. pierre describe the fbi's role in this. >> they can help solve the mystery of the cracked glass. they'll work with their ntsb counterparts to look at the window to determine if the cracks were caused by the derailment or projectile. they can use high-powered microscope to peer into the crack cracks that may offer clues. the other two trains that were possibly hit that night and in addition the fbi will canvas the entire area to see if there was anything suspicious going on. >> there's criminal and civil. criminal, could the engineer be charged with the crime? theoretically yes, but they would have to find that he did something wrong. recklessness or intentional conduct. they'll look at that. number two, civil, all of these people that are injured are going to sue. interesting, in 1997 there was a law passed that's there a cap of $200 million total for all of the victims together in a train accident. considering you're talking about hundreds of victims here $200 million, you could argu

let's bring in dan abrams now. no criminal charges filed against bruce jenner yet.l questions in play. >> three key question number one, did he cause the accident? i think the answer to that is probably going to be at least in part. but that's only part of the question. the most important question is okay, even if he did, was he negligent? meaning did he something wrong? did he fail to show a duty of care when he was driving? you need that. you can't just say someone caused it therefore, they're responsible. there also has to be a level of negligence. number three is going to be damages. remember, these are stepchildren suing. so there are going to be a lot of questions as to what was their relationship and actual loss in terms of the numbers in if they prove negligence these could be huge. >> they could be enormous if the family is able to demonstrate that this was a real loss for them, they had a close relationship i know it's an ugly thing to talk about but when you're talking about wrongful death suits that's what you talk about when discussing damages, how much

. >>> let's bring in dan abrams the fbi gets alerted to these withdrawals from hastert's bank account. >> look they want to know what's going on is there money laurnding? is this connected to terrorism? the bank gives them the heads up and then the potential crime is when he changes his behavior. so it's not a crime to take out large sums of money, it is a crime to then structure your withdrawals to try not to trigger this -- >> written a check, no problem. >> checks are okay wire transfers are okay, because there's more accountability there. this crime is targeted at at can't to make sure people can't take out enormous sums of money without knowing where it's going. >> the fbi comes to dennis hastert, look at these withdrawals, what are his options? >> either he can come clean and say i'm being extorted. here's what happened. in this particular case he didn't want to admit it. he wanted to keep it quiet. he could have said nothing, he could have hired a lawyer and this would have been the best thing legally for him to have done to have said nothing. or doing what he's accused of doin

dan abrams here right now. so many different twists on this case.california court thinks this violation is this notion that she can't see the kids unless she turns over their passports? the california court immediately saying, that's unacceptable. now, remember this is in addition to other things he's done that violate the california court order. he was supposed to have applied for a visa. the state department confirms that hasn't happened. he was supposed to get an order that mirrored california's in monaco. instead, monaco now establishing the kids as residents of monaco. they're supposed to remain u.s. citizen children. i think there is a series of violations here that finally led this california court to say, wait a second. >> how about the fact that both parents should be able to see the kids? >> absolutely. look absolutely, and the question is just, how is that going to happen? i mean i think -- the end result is, how is it best going to happen that they can both see the kids? >> because, this is not over. this is not. it's been going on for s

the weather channel's stephanie abrams is in myrtle beach, south carolina, she joins me.bad is it going to get? >> it's really not. it's just one of those pesky nuisance types of a thing. it's also cold. it's been in the mid-60s, rain on and off. you can see the surf behind me. it's not too terrible but it's a hidden danger, the rip current. we have the rip current threat through the day and it will be greatest around 4:00 p.m. that's when we have low tide. an hour or two before and after that's when you have the greatest threat. will they name this? won't they name this? well of course everyone's talking about how it's ana and it's like we can't let go of this movie, right? that would be the name of it. whether it's subtropical or tropical, again, that doesn't really matter because we are going to have the same impacts. that would just be for historical purposes. and jose, the earliest tropical or subtropical system that we had in the u.s. subtropical storm andrea 2007. that was may 9. if this gets named today or tomorrow, it would be that. >> stephanie abrams thank you

francis, back to you. >> stephanie abrams reporting for us. we thank you for that. >>> listen to this developing story here. it affects your privacy and the national security agency's power. >> the federal appeals court says the nsa bulk collection of phone records is excessive and illegal. the court has serious concerns about the fine line between national security and privacy. now the court is asking congress to step in to better define the program's boundaries. here's what attorney general loretta lynch had to say earlier this morning. >> we are reviewing this decision. given the time issues involving the expiration of it we are also and have been working with this body and others to look for ways to reauthorize section 215 in a way that does preserve this efficacy and protect privacy. >> josh joins me now. josh good to see you here. i know the ins and outs could be complicated. break it down as far as what this ruling means for people at home worried about privacy. >> this ruling said that congress never authorized the national security ag

>>> let's get more on this from pierre thomas who covers the fbi and our chief legal analyst dan abrams. pierre, describe the fbi's role in this. >> they can help solve the mystery of the cracked glass. fbi forensic scientists will work with their ntsb counterparts to look at the window to determine if the cracks were caused by the derailment or projectiles. depending on what the ntsb wants, they could ship it down to the fbi lab in quantico, virginia. there they can use high-powered microscope to peer into the cracks that may offer clues. the bureau may also do comparisons to the other two trains that were possibly hit that night and in addition the fbi will canvas the entire area to see if there was anything suspicious going on. >> dan, what are the possible legal implications here? >> there's criminal and civil. criminal, could the engineer be charged with the crime? theoretically yes, but they would have to found that he did something wrong. the crash itself doesn't mean there was -- recklessness or intentional conduct. they'll look at that. number two is civil, which is all of thes

abrams directing daisy ridley on a contraption named the speeder in the deserts of abu dhabi. >> as istand it what they're aiming for is, you know the new film, but with some of the flavor of the older films. >> yes, oscar flies and old school x-wing and look han chewy and hans onboard the millennium falcon. i think the message is clear. >> chewy we're home. >> nick walt, abc news, los angeles. >> even stopper is getting into the star wars tweeted and this is a twet sent out by the oakland as in yoda fashion, he's telling fans, #may the force be with you. >> stomper doesn't speak. >> the yoda voice. >>> abc 7 news at 4:00 continues. it's a pregnancy protest by these bay area women that are demonstrating against a form of birth control. >> up first treadmill tragedy, the gym accident leading to the death of a prominent silicon valley tech executive. >> and the threat that was made on twitter only minutes before >>> live from the kgo tv broadcast center. this is abc 7 news. here are the headlines where you live as we come up on 4:30. warriors fans this is what everybody was hoping for.

for more on this let's bring in our chief legal analyst dan abrams. good morning. what are the odds these charges will stick and the rookie prosecutor will be able to bring convictions? >> i think some of the lesser convictions will likely stick in certain cases but i think most of the more serious charges, it's going to be really tough to get convictions on a lot of these charges. i think it is fair to say that this prosecutor as a legal matter as overreached. think about it two officers here are charged with manslaughter who come on the scene later and don't do enough according to prosecutors. that may be wrong, but getting a jury to convict them of manslaughter for simply not helping enough is going to be very very tough. so i think that once this case moves along, you're going to see either the charges reduced or in the end a jury simply not convicting on the more serious charges. >> you heard in jim's piece that the police union, they're accusing the prosecutor of a rush to judgment. they're saying she ought to recuse herself because she has conflicts of inter

there was the jack abram influence peddling scandal. if you remember back in 2006 there was the page scandal in the house where congressman mark foley had made inappropriate comments to teenage male pages and ended up having to resign. and then hastert lost control of the house. >> you know, and paul what's interesting about that point that gloria's raising, at the time a conservative newspaper, the washington times called for the resignation of dennis hastert because he wasn't doing a good job of investigating. george w. bush came to his defense at that time. saying he's a good guy. >> yeah, this is a great irony if it turns out that these lines lead back to what he was doing as a wrestleing coach at this particular high school. these money laundering charges have tripped up a number of politicians in the past. it's one of those strange charges used against drug dealers, terrorists and politicians as well. >> do you think we will get to the bottom of this actual set of charges? >> you know i think at some point, you always get to the b