we go in and ask about abu akmed because people are telling us about him.he man who conceptualized it. he told us bin laden left a long time ago. >> rose: let me interrupt this one second. keep the thought. at that moment, what was the level of cooperation he was giving you and what was the level of information that you trusted, and what was the level of information at that time about other things that was actionable. >> full. full and complete. >> rose: he was totally cooperating. >> yes. >> rose: and you think that was because of what, he was being water boarded hundreds of times. >> my officers who conducted these interrogations, and this is said in the agency response although it's hidden. my officers who conducted these interrogations believe that they were necessary, skip to the necessary question. believe that they were necessary to get detainees to provide actionable information. >> rose: water boarding. >> yes. specifically mohammed and -- the two hardest cases. my officer believed that was necessary. now, back to the bin laden story. >> rose: they

and among those were bits of information that led to abu akmed al-cue wady leading to osama bin laden. they are saying, well look this was not actionable information. no, but the information we got was critical to ultimately finding the individuals and blocking them. >> a final quick word from you on the dangers of getting - i know you believe the report needed to come out, as i know senator mccain and dianne fienstein believed it should. now we have warnings to domestic law enforcement, across the world to american facilities are you not concerned about the risk? >> i'm not. they should have thought about national security and the harm in the middle east back to when they architected and carried out, justified and destroyed evidence of and defended these programs, number one. number two the report has been out and we have seen no disruptive plots in the middle east, and all the fear-mongering that went on preceding the release of the report. finally i urge mr grenier to read the report and the footnotes, which meticulously documented contraried pretty much everything he said on the p