the military work -- aby ghraib abu ghraib happened after you left.were you made aware of this committee a disaster in terms of the fact that this was not the way that we were supposed to be behaving? >> as it happened, i was not made aware for two reasons. one was that the international committee of the red cross did not send a copy of the report even though the u.k. was co- response will in iraq. -- responsible in iraq. because i understood or was told by my own legal adviser that there might be questions about the uk + responsibility for the detention facilities in mmd se, i got my legal adviser to purloin a writ -- a copy of the report from his contacts in the cpa, go through it, while i was away on a visit elsewhere, and check what was relevant for british concerns and make sure that those parts were reported back to london and to the ministry of defence which you did. he did not go through the rest of the report or give me any other indication that there were general questions here about the overall administration of iraq that might arise and so

abu ghraib specifics what we have seen in the photos is the stories not just in abu ghraib but most of the detention facilities in iraq run by americans was policy. when i interviewed a double been in charge of the situation she told me she had direct documents and return on of listing out policies the sleep deprivation, and other different types of things in him saying make sure this happens. it was not just the abu ghraib but all over the place dogs, sexually humiliating people, rape of prisoners, men and women, i talked to many iraqis one woman for example,, her sister was killed and the americans thought she had links to the resistance so they tried to get her to talk some would bring her sister's body into the cell and leave it there one hour per day. this kind of barbaric and hanus stuff. this is what happens and not saying that is justified, but this was rampant across iraq and it does not work. i will just take a couple more. >> first of all, let me thank you so much for coming it has been very informative. i have a comment more than a question. in the '70s spent a lot of time

. >> you said that ambassador bremer did not show you the icrc report on abu ghraib when it was sento him and you said there was a lot of american material that you never saw. to what extent did ambassador bremer keeping fully briefed on what he was up to? >> he did not keep me fully briefed. he never intended that. the non-americans in the cpa and quite a few of the americans, did not see anything of the american spending of money and budget allocations gori we were not consulted on the budget allocations that bremer and others prepared for the spending of american and iraqi money in iraq. we did not seek anything whatsoever in the oil sector. they kept that very closely american because they wanted to run the oil sector. there were australians and poles and others at senior levels who were advising them on some aspects of this but no americans were taken into the american confidence on the spending of money and the management of the oil sector in iraq. those are two of the purest examples of how partial the partnership was on the ground with the americans. >> why were they seeking

but when abu ghraib, the issue became widely public, that was a surprise and shock to me. and -- >> and can i ask you a bit more on the civil military relationship. you've given an indication that when you started there was very little prospect of extra american forces being brought in. and we've also heard from the military officers a sense of surprise at the shift in strategy in november, 2004. in the sense that as they thought they were getting on top of things, that all of a sudden the united states had gone off in a different direction. and we've also heard from -- that he felt that they were making progress wit

guest: there are two pieces, the dubai city and dubai world and then abu ghraib and that's where the tarted there and trickleddoin. -- trickled down. and they wanted to create a capitol of middle east or the world. and out of abu dhabi and because dubai didn't have moan and had to look to abu dhabi to save them. host: one viewer comments that he loves your reporting and that the middle east will be fine as long as the u.s. continues to import oil. guest: isn't that true. first thank you for the compliment and second i cannot agree with you more. as long as we import oil, the middle east will be fine. and this goes back to issues about green energy and our dependence on oil. but you are right as long as there are oil in the middle east, there is power in the middle east. host: you can pick up andrew's latest book, too big to fail. caller: good morning, i was concerned with this solice word and i couldn't believe the massive waste of wealth. and in the movie "the mighty heart" and the overpopulation of pakistan of the failed state and that struck me, i encourage people to see that. what

as he arrives his jailer said welcome to abu ghraib and guantÁnamo, american. us to believe that the rest of the world doesn't have a negative image of guantÁnamo and that it isn't being used against our troops is to ignore the obvious. there are some in this body who are hidebound to keep guantÁnamo open at any cost. i will tell you the cost is too high. if the continuation of guantÁnamo means danger to our troops, we elected them to close it. the president has reached that conclusion. people in charge of national security have reached that conclusion and we should as well. and then there's this notion about the danger of incarcerating terrorists in the united states. for the record, over 350 convicted terrorists are currently and present in the united states. all over the united states. in my own state of illinois 35 convicted terrorists are in prison today. the most and recent incarceration involves a man arrested shortly after 9/11 into your yacht illinois and unlikely hotbed of terrorism and spy activity. in fact, this man going to school into your you, il

he told a story of how he was first incarcerated, an as he arrived, his jailer said, welcome to abu ghraib. for us to believe that there is not a negative image in guantanamo and not used against our troops is to ignore the obvious there are some in this body who are hide bound to keep guantanamo open at any cost and i will tell you the cost is too high. if the continuation of guantanamo means danger to our troops we owe it to them to close it. presidents have reached that conclusion. people in charge of national security have reached that conclusion and we should as well. and then there's this notion about the danger of incarcerating terrorists in the united states. for the record, over 350 convicted terrorists are currently imprisoned in the united states. all over the united states, in my home state of illinois, 35 convicted terrorists are in prison today. the most recent incar ration involves a man arrested shortly after 9/11 in peoria, illinois. an unlikely hotbed of terrorism and spy activity, but in fact, this man going to school in peoria illinois, through his communications was li