isn't that correct abu ghraib was a good leak. there are some leaks that are bad, gentleman generally agree? i see heads shaking, going up and down so i think that means yes in america, is that correct? >> no, sir. >> that is not correct? >> all right. >> sir do not tell me such a thing as a good leak -- >> i am guess it depends on where you're setting though. >> in a war flow of information is a flow of sewage because they can lost lives. >> you have good leaks and bad leaks, i don't think you can disagree with that. wep needed to learn about abu ghraib. so that we could correct what was going on over there. and the problem is that, you know, sometimes our laws can go too far so as to chilling free speech. and i think that's a conflict that that we probably need to adjust here. those memos, torture memos written by dputty assistant attorney general john yu advice the u.s. government that acts widely regarded as torture might be legally permissionable under an expansive interpretation of presidential authority. at least one of the

all those notorious were ports about human rights abuses committed by the us in places like like abu ghraib you know the secret prisons how do you see that now i think again this is true in every country there is a natural tendency towards so fractiousness as jesus said we see the sin in our brother's eyes before we see the sins in our own this is human nature let's move away from the magnitsky law us russian relations haven't been rosy in recent years but the leaders of both countries made took concrete steps to boost economic ties trade and all that but in the geo political field differences remain and we see a serious clash of approaches over syria. what is at the root of the clash the americans have developed on their ideological passion revolutionary passion for democracy i have had russian journalist friends who turned fifteen years ago predicted to me this would happen they say your country is going to be as ideologically swept away by trying to promote democracy around the world regardless of its own interests as we were trying to promote communism in southern africa or in afghanist

waterboarding and the use of water to induce misperceptions of suffocation that document emerged after the abu ghraib images emerged and i was interested to find out how a country which has turned its back against torture could have moved to adopt these techniques of interrogation so i began. roots of two thousand and five to begin to look more closely through a series of interviews of course united states on what had happened and what had been done by the biggest roshon it was to spin a story which effectively said it started down at guantanamo there were a group of individuals down and went and imo and it did then work its way up the system what i stablish was that it's not accurate what had happened was that it had started at the top and then worked its way down with significant pressure from the pentagon in particular people around the white house so the tale was very different from the one which the administration had spun how easy was it to uncover that truth i. began by knowing that i had to speak to people who had not previously spoken down at guantanamo and i focused on the lawyers and i beg

out of iran but the money is still flowing in washington was a hundred million dollars worth of abu ghraib so it's been dubbed embassy despite counting a third of its diplomatic staff. there's a russia and around the world this is a scene with me you know our thanks for joining us as the world's major powers have agreed on a transitional road map for syria which they say will allow syrians to determine their own future without outside interference following a crisis meeting in geneva russia's foreign minister said the document contains no ultimatums and includes representatives from all sides of the political divide and that's exactly what russia was pushing for this kind of hassle or now they did manage to agree on a new. transition plan as it's called powers which do include united states and russia we should know in principle allures national you know we consider it of the utmost importance that this document does not seek to dictate to the syrian side how the transitional process should happen politically how exactly this process will take place is up to the syrian people this document

who's involved in covering it up and is this is a bill that is in afghanistan it is afghanistan the abu ghraib i think one could make that argument in that you have people who are nominally supposed to be under american supervision who are literally dying and regular prisoners these are patients these are these are afghan soldiers who we have said look come pick up the fight for your government and we will have your back and instead you have images of them literally literally with medical appliances still stuck in an open wound and undergoing on under our watch and with our money and and our taxpayer dollars if it were just a moral question too and as you brought up you know and it was brought up in the testimony last week how many top ranking official went through that hospital and did the same thing you know how long has this sort of abuse gone on in total silence and to make matters worse no one has actually been punished for any of it well that's i wonder how you think this will play out are we going to see general caldwell actually take the fall or is it going to be the whistleblowers tha

i can give you the date for abu ghraib a polis for slavery and africa and apologized to the chinese. so this isn't unusual for the american presidents to express' for something. >> you elude it to the question i was going to ask what is the second term for obama? >> how does it change of the deputies, where does rice ago, the national security adviser, what happens? >> i think i touched on the personnel. i don't know the details beyond that within the intresting question is what are they going to do in the second term. there are parts of the policy you would have thought they would have acted on. it to take one example, obama promised in the spring of 2009 that he was going to move quickly to get the approval of the country as a test ban treaty and a different tree, the new s.t.a.r.t. treaty took so much effort the the kind of gave up and just kind of an abandoned the promises that they had made overseas. i would expect -- people have been saying this every four years -- but i would expect some action on the cuba policy to take one small and specific area china policy guy think is pr

>> the same thing with abu ghraib. that the administration believed would affect the americans overseas, affect our soldiers. we don't want to put our soldiers, our americans, our people on the border at harm's way with the cartel, whomever is on the border. there are certain things that are secret to our government that are in the best interest of the american people. >> tucker: congressman, do you believe that this administration is keeping these documents, thousands of pages of documents, secret for our own good and for national security reasons? >> absolutely not. there's no doubt -- >> tucker: do you think that is an insane suggestion? >> it borders on insanity. if you think about the facts that the federal government provided guns to drug cartels in mexico, killed mexicans, killed a border patrol agent, he asserts an executive privilege, basically protecting eric holder, and says i have no knowledge what's going on, basically is what we hear out in the public forum. the challenge is, why would you assert executiv

well, you know, in fair tons some of the republicans in the senate, six or seven years ago when abu ghraib story broke and those disclosures of torture being used there, it was a republican-controlled senate that held many hearings or open hearings. the public could see them. they were on tv about what it was that was ordered and done by a republican administration. the bush administration. there was more they should have done, the senate could have done at that time but they actually held some very tough hearings pushing back against a republican president senator mccain as you might remember, did the mccain amendment that pushed back against the torture program by legislation. >> cenk: right. >> here we have a democratic senate and republican house. there's yet to be a single hearing, not one hearing that's been open to the public, ever on this targeted killing program. >> cenk: chris anders from the aclu. thank you for clarifying that. we appreciate it. look i just gotta say for the democrats who voted to keep this secret, you ought to be embarrassed. you're not a progressive. you're no

imai, abu ghraib was a good leak, and our some leaks that are bad. would you gentlemen generally agree? iac heads shaking, going up and down, so i think that means yes in america, is that correct? >> no. no, sir. >> that's not correct? all right. [inaudible] the tell me there's no such thing as a good leak spent i guess it depends on where you are sitting think i'm antiwar, free flow of information, free flow of sewage. because they can cost lives. they have done so i think -- >> an economy that could leaks and bad leaks but i don't think you can disagree with that. we really needed to learn about abu ghraib, and so that we could correct what was going on over there. and you know the problem is that, you know, our laws and go to far so as to chill free speech. and i think that's a conflict that we probably need to address your. -- address here. those torture memos written by deputy assistant attorney general and assistant attorney general, advised the u.s. government that acts widely regarded as torture might be legally permissible under an expansive

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