the beeline massacre and it, watergate, cia domestic spying on the abuse of prisoners at abu ghraib prison in iraq. this is about an hour and 20 minute. [applause] >> good evening. thank you all for being here tonight. it is my pleasure to be here with you on this cold wintry evening in new york city. i got a text message just before i got up here from barack obama who sends his regards, the somehow said something about a species giving somewhere and unable to make it tonight, can never rely on elected officials. it is actually my pleasure to be here back in their city. as did i mention to you, i grew up in work due number of years across the bay of that island. we would always take the staten island ferry across the harbor for big events and there is a big moment for us to come into the city. this two s. always was a city and is still the city and it's great to be here in the city and great to be your new york city, the worlds greatest city. also great to use your i consider the new york public library. i'm sure we would give some dispute on that from london in the library of congress, bu

that he had any objections to it but as a savvy politician he just didn't want to especially after abu ghraib. >> host: so he leaves you in an elevated until you are asking for higher approval you are still representing an agency. so you have been out now for four years. you have heard whether this constitutes torture. i have to say that after understanding what your role as a lawyer to rep resents your clients and to protect them i just get the impression by the way you talk about it is that you actually -- and this is my question and he's intervening years that you consider this torture. but it is not something less especially in combination. and i'm wondering -- there are a lot of -- if you the people were protected, which they are. nobody is going to go back and say it was okay to use these techniques. we are going to go and cause them trouble now. but is there a reason that you think it's necessary to speak in the most honest way about these now and do you think that these techniques did amount to torture or? >> guest: no, i don't. maybe it's because i'm a lawyer but torture is defined i

didn't want to know about any of this and a savvy politician he just didn't want to especially after abu ghraib. >> host: even though you're asking the higher authorities for approval you are still representing the agency. >> host: you have been out for four years and you heard about the date about whether this constitutes torture. i have to say that after understanding what your role as a lawyer to represent your clients and protect them i just definitely give the impression bget the impression bythe way t that, and this is my question in these intervening years that you consider this torture, that it is not something less especially in combination. if your people are protected which they are which nobody is going to go back and say we believe that this was okay to use these techniques we are going to go and cause them trouble now. is there a reason that you think it's necessary to speak in the most honest way about these now and do you think that these techniques did amount to tortu torture. i don't think they crossed the line into torture. i certainly once i got them from the department of j

judgments but he was a savvy politician and didn't want to be touched with it especially after abu ghraib. >> host: which again leads you in the middle of that even though you are asking higher authorities for approval. you are still there representing the agency. you have been out now for -- >> guest: for years. >> host: for years and you've heard the debate on whether this constitutes torture and understanding your role as a lawyer to represent your client to protect them, i definitely get the impression by the way you talk about it that you actually and this is my question in the intervening years that you consider this torture that it is not something less especially in combination. i'm wondering, you know there are a lot of, if your people were protected which they are, i mean nobody is going go back and say the people we have said this is okay to use these techniques we are going to go and cause them trouble now. but, is there a reason that you think it's necessary to speak in the most honest way about these now and do you think that these techniques did amount to torture? >> guest:

you only need to look at the new andk -- "the new york times" their coverage of abu ghraib.as granted his authority based on the fact that he knows he will not be called on it in thed press. transparency does not fix all the problems, but we don't know what the problems are few do not have transparency. it is amazing to see. i sat in a hearing for the nomination of the the general counsel to the cia in december. she's a former justice official that writes these legal opinions on who can be killed under this targeted killing program. she was asked by senator feinstein whether she would turn over and allow the intelligence committee of the senate to see and read the legal opinions of the targeted killing program? a cia directorp nomination last year, several opinions are staying -- still being hidden from the committee. irony have rule of law, separation of powers, and even the legal opinions cannot be itself a committee that operates in secret, but still has some oversight over the cia and over this program, when those opinions are being hidden from members of congress? guest

work that i'm trying to get to write to is a novel based on an army psychologist's experience in abu ghraib a passion. so are half series. the student found an outlet for both, interviewing with other veterans at the military museum and library. how is serving a six month fellowship called the mission continues matching vets with non-profits? for how, the program helps him fulfill his need to serve. >> we got into the military for all sorts of reasons, but one thing we all have in common is we took an oath. >> the fellowship is tied to his military experience, other vets are serving fellow ships at the boys and girls club of america. >> the 7-year-old program is partly aimed at helping vets reconnect with their communities. >> fellows had told us that the program not only impacts their professional lives, it also impacts their lives at home, so half of them report having better connection witness their family. >> the fellowship is giving howe hands-on experience shooting and hedits videos and he thinks hels him give better interviews. >> it helps me connect at a level some somebody who hasn

the beeline massacre and it, watergate, cia domestic spying on the abuse of prisoners at abu ghraib prison in iraq. this is about an hour and 20