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>> if there no photographs there would be no abu ghraib.here would be no investigation. >> you can do this, this, this this, stress positions, do whatever you want to do to him. we need that information. >> you will go crazy if you don't adapt to what you're seeing. >> it was never clear, to me what was allowed and what wasn't allowed in our rank. >> technically, unlawful combatants did not have any rights under the geneva convention. there is no such thing as a little bit of torture. >> ghosts of abu ghraib. >> that's seven years ago. why did you do that? is that hbo? >> it was hbo. you know, those images were -- had come out and i was interested in understanding why people would choose to both take those photographs and engage in the horrific acts that we saw in those images and ask other people to do so. what i discovered -- and so the film really focuses on the people who took the photographs and what they did. and, you know, what i -- became very evident in talking to all of those people is that they were given pretty strong orders fro
>> if there no photographs there would be no abu ghraib.here would be no investigation. >> you can do this, this, this this, stress positions, do whatever you want to do to him. we need that information. >> you will go crazy if you don't adapt to what you're seeing. >> it was never clear, to me what was allowed and what wasn't allowed in our rank. >> technically, unlawful combatants did not have any rights under the geneva convention. there is no such thing as a...
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abu ghraib is one, the terrorist, the torture report also related to abu ghraib certainly, and therether events that people have seen where they believe that their rights are being imposed or, you know, u.s. intervention in iraq, in afghanistan. >> they're looking for some galvanizing moment. some folks maybe just trying to look for something they can hang their hat on. but this is a long process often times. and there are some who are walking the line. and it is a particular event that pushes them over the line. i can see where this event here in france may cause copycats. people who have been thinking about this for a while. now that they see what happens in france. we have to be on alert here domestically. >> troubling thoughts really appreciate it. >>> and up next as attacks on journalists rise our terrorists having the impact they intend. is the pen truly mightier than the sword? and later, canada australia, france, could it happen right here? more on this developing story ahead in "the cycle." okay buddy what's your favorite kind of cheerios? honey nut. but... chocolate is my o
abu ghraib is one, the terrorist, the torture report also related to abu ghraib certainly, and therether events that people have seen where they believe that their rights are being imposed or, you know, u.s. intervention in iraq, in afghanistan. >> they're looking for some galvanizing moment. some folks maybe just trying to look for something they can hang their hat on. but this is a long process often times. and there are some who are walking the line. and it is a particular event that...
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they wanted to avenge abu ghraib. you're going to see that more and more often. i think in the next days, the big story is going to be this woman, what is happening with this woman who is still at large. >> thank you very much for joining me tonight. coming up, the leader whoft lebanese hezbollah groups makes a bold statement saying islamic extreatmentists have insulted the prophet mohammed more than any satirical cartoonist ever could and what can we learn from the tactics of the french police today. a former boston police officer who led the search for the boston marathon bombers will join me. and in "the rewrite" tonight, what i hate about tv. does a freshly printed presentation fill you with optimism? then you might be gearcentric. right now, all printers are on sale. plus great deals on hp ink and toner. office depot & officemax. gear up for great. more than 600 british citizens have gone to syria to join jihadists. up next, more details on exactly how the french police closed in on those terrorists today. you owned your car for four years. you named it brad
they wanted to avenge abu ghraib. you're going to see that more and more often. i think in the next days, the big story is going to be this woman, what is happening with this woman who is still at large. >> thank you very much for joining me tonight. coming up, the leader whoft lebanese hezbollah groups makes a bold statement saying islamic extreatmentists have insulted the prophet mohammed more than any satirical cartoonist ever could and what can we learn from the tactics of the french...
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troops brutalizing prisoners in the abu ghraib prison that made him want to travel to iraq. at that trial he was convicted. there are conflicting reports today about whether he served time in trial after that conviction or whether he was sentenced essentially to time served. but if you were a young militant after 9/11, if you found yourself eager to fight in some jihadi campaign for the cause of violent islamic extremism, that path that this young man tried to take in 2005 for which he was convicted in 2008, that was a well worn path, the war in iraq, the war in afghanistan, the civil war in syria, they've all served as international magnets for militant motivated islamic extremists from all over the world, including the united states, that's why militant groups have been able to put up propaganda videos like this one showing western kids tearing up their passports and ranting about how fulfilling it is to blow yourself up in fighting in some foreign country. this video featured a suicide bomber who was an american who grew up in florida. that's him tearing up his passport a
troops brutalizing prisoners in the abu ghraib prison that made him want to travel to iraq. at that trial he was convicted. there are conflicting reports today about whether he served time in trial after that conviction or whether he was sentenced essentially to time served. but if you were a young militant after 9/11, if you found yourself eager to fight in some jihadi campaign for the cause of violent islamic extremism, that path that this young man tried to take in 2005 for which he was...
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you mentioned in talking about general keane with abu ghraib -- we were correct to go into afghanistan. everybody agreed with that. nato supported it. the iranians supported us there. when we went into afghanistan, iraq was something completely different. and now if you're taking a look at what we're doing, al awlaki was killed -- >> we have thousands of people dying every day at the hands of boko haram, at the hands of aqap, at the hands of all of these organizations. whatever we've been doing, larry, it is clearly not working. >> well, first of all we the united states are not threatened by all of these groups. we have to decide who threatens us. and we can solve it by ourselves. as i say we're doing it right now when we went into iraq we went in just essentially by ourselves. we did not get u.n. authorization. >> we have to end there, larry. thank you, i appreciate your thoughts. good to have you here. we have dire warnings tonight from a man once deep inside al qaeda before becoming a double agent. see why he thinks we're missing the truly frightening point of these recent terror a
you mentioned in talking about general keane with abu ghraib -- we were correct to go into afghanistan. everybody agreed with that. nato supported it. the iranians supported us there. when we went into afghanistan, iraq was something completely different. and now if you're taking a look at what we're doing, al awlaki was killed -- >> we have thousands of people dying every day at the hands of boko haram, at the hands of aqap, at the hands of all of these organizations. whatever we've been...
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troops in abu ghraib prison.aid kouachi who was training with al qaeda in the iranian peninsula, u.s. government sources told reuters the two brothers were listed in two u.s. security databases him a highly classified database containing information on 1.2 million possible counterterrorism suspects called type in the much smaller no-fly list. vigils are continuing to take place across france to remember those killed. last night, the lights on the eiffel tower were turned off as a mark of respect. for more on the paris attacks, we are joined again by the lebanese-french academic gilbert achcar. he is a professor at the school of oriental and african studies, or soas, at the university of london. his most recent books are , "marxism, orientalism, cosmopolitanism" and "the people want: a radical exploration of the arab uprising." the french newspaper le monde has described him as "one of the best analysts of the contemporary arab world." gilbert achcar, thank you so much for joining us again today on democracy now!
troops in abu ghraib prison.aid kouachi who was training with al qaeda in the iranian peninsula, u.s. government sources told reuters the two brothers were listed in two u.s. security databases him a highly classified database containing information on 1.2 million possible counterterrorism suspects called type in the much smaller no-fly list. vigils are continuing to take place across france to remember those killed. last night, the lights on the eiffel tower were turned off as a mark of...
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troops brutalizing prisoners in the abu ghraib prison that made him want to travel to iraq. at that trial he was convicted. there are conflicting reports today about whether he served time in trial after that conviction or whether he was sentenced essentially to time served. but if you were a young militant after 9/11, if you found yourself eager to fight in some jihadi campaign for the cause of violent islamic extremism, that path that this young man tried to take in 2005 for which he was convicted in 2008, that was a well worn path, the war in iraq, the war in afghanistan, the civil war in syria, they've all served as international magnets for militant motivated islamic extremists from all over the world, including the united states, that's why militant groups have been able to put up propaganda videos like this one showing western kids tearing up their passports and ranting about how fulfilling it is to blow yourself up in fighting in some foreign country. this video featured a suicide bomber who was an american who grew up in florida. that's him tearing up his passport a
troops brutalizing prisoners in the abu ghraib prison that made him want to travel to iraq. at that trial he was convicted. there are conflicting reports today about whether he served time in trial after that conviction or whether he was sentenced essentially to time served. but if you were a young militant after 9/11, if you found yourself eager to fight in some jihadi campaign for the cause of violent islamic extremism, that path that this young man tried to take in 2005 for which he was...
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troops at abu ghraib prison. our reports the two brothers, who were born in paris, returned from fighting in syria last summer. the remaining staff at charlie hebdo has announced he will continue to publish on schedule. we will have more on the charlie hebdo shootings after headlines. the third suspect to turn himself in says he is innocent. the pentagon says the u.s.-led coalition has dropped nearly 5000 bombs in over 1600 strikes on isis targets in syria and iraq. the figures come as the u.s. has disclosed for the first time it is investigating several attacks that may have killed civilians. in washington, pentagon spokesperson john kirby repeated long-standing assertions that the u.s. doesn't conduct out accounts. kirby also said the program to train syrian rebels and allied countries could begin this spring. >> we look forward to the end of the year, getting up and going. i think if we continue to make the progress we're making now that we believe we could start conducting some training of modern opposition b
troops at abu ghraib prison. our reports the two brothers, who were born in paris, returned from fighting in syria last summer. the remaining staff at charlie hebdo has announced he will continue to publish on schedule. we will have more on the charlie hebdo shootings after headlines. the third suspect to turn himself in says he is innocent. the pentagon says the u.s.-led coalition has dropped nearly 5000 bombs in over 1600 strikes on isis targets in syria and iraq. the figures come as the u.s....
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the abuse of prisoners at abu ghraib which he said enraged him. this is the low income housing project where the kouachi brothers lived in their early 20s. they were reportedly petty criminals and occasional drug users working odd jobs. cherif was also increasingly angry. he decided to travel to iraq to fight u.s. troops there and started training. he jogged every day at this local park and learned to use an assault rifle from a man he met in this local mosque. but before cherif could travel to iraq, he and several of his associates were arrested. one of france's leading terrorism experts. cherif was released after 18 months and initially appears he was under surveillance. but that became expensive, so eventually they stopped watching cherif closely. >> the time came when the intelligence services assessed that he posed no more threats and he went underground. >> reporter: in 2010 cherif and his brother were questioned, but subsequently managed to evade surveillance, reportedly traveling to yemen and syria, and then return to execute france's wors
the abuse of prisoners at abu ghraib which he said enraged him. this is the low income housing project where the kouachi brothers lived in their early 20s. they were reportedly petty criminals and occasional drug users working odd jobs. cherif was also increasingly angry. he decided to travel to iraq to fight u.s. troops there and started training. he jogged every day at this local park and learned to use an assault rifle from a man he met in this local mosque. but before cherif could travel to...
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treatment of prisoners abu ghraib. you often find the profiles of these suspected jihadis are complicated. he was also a rapper described by his lawyer in defending him in his trial in 2008 as someone who liked to smoke pot, who liked to drink, to say that he was not a radical muslim he was, in fact just another 20-something kid in paris. a complicated profile but one that u.s. and french authorities were very aware of for years before this attack took place. >> jim, at the time of this terror attack they were not under any surveillance by french authorities because clearly they were moving around at will. >> reporter: that's true. they had been under surveillance. they were no longer under surveillance before this attack took place. i spoke today with the former head of france's counterterror service, and he said this, and i'm quoting him here. he said "there are too many of them, too few of us." too many jihadi suspects that is too few security personnel to follow them. he explained to me the mathematics. he said it
treatment of prisoners abu ghraib. you often find the profiles of these suspected jihadis are complicated. he was also a rapper described by his lawyer in defending him in his trial in 2008 as someone who liked to smoke pot, who liked to drink, to say that he was not a radical muslim he was, in fact just another 20-something kid in paris. a complicated profile but one that u.s. and french authorities were very aware of for years before this attack took place. >> jim, at the time of this...
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reporter:at trial, he reportedly told the court, he was motivated by u-s troops' abuse of detainees at abu ghraibson in iraq.when u.s. soldiers posed for photos with detainees.in uncompromising positions. >> reporter:cherif kouachi was convicted and sentenced in 2008. but bloomberg t-v reported he didn't actually go to prison after the trial. >> reporter:half of his three-year sentence was suspended. the rest. spent in pre- trial detention. >> reporter:two years later. 2010. >> reporter:he was charged in connection with a foiled plot to break an algerian islamist out of prison. a man who bombed a paris commuter rail station in 19- 95. >> reporter:but prosecutors later dropped the charges reported le monde. cherif's older brother is said. 34. also a french citizen. >> reporter:according to cnn affiliate bfmtv -- he left an i-d document at the scene. >> reporter:like cherif. he was known to police. >> reporter:in 2005. the liberation reported the brothers were both staying in paris with a french man who converted to islam. >> reporter:and in 2010. said's name came up during the investigation into t
reporter:at trial, he reportedly told the court, he was motivated by u-s troops' abuse of detainees at abu ghraibson in iraq.when u.s. soldiers posed for photos with detainees.in uncompromising positions. >> reporter:cherif kouachi was convicted and sentenced in 2008. but bloomberg t-v reported he didn't actually go to prison after the trial. >> reporter:half of his three-year sentence was suspended. the rest. spent in pre- trial detention. >> reporter:two years later. 2010....
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trial that he was particularly angered and motivated after he saw pictures of prisoners tortured at abu ghraib. we don't know much about mourad, he is apparently ofrench national, turned himself into the police. he comes from reims, not paris about 90 miles west of here. there was a major anti-terror campaign from the police earlier in the evening. and detectives pouring out of the apartment look for any evidence that would tie that apartment or that scene to these attacks. the other thing we should mention antonio is when you look at the videos and talk to the eyewitnesses, the other things you will note, you don't need to be an expert just to understand, they look very calm. they look very collected. the question is: did they receive some kind of military training. as you mentioned in an earlier introduction, in fact that there are suggestions that one of them called out they had ties to al qaeda in yemen. did they ever get training or intelligence? on the ground they seemed to have a lot of good intelligence about attacking the newspaper building, they knew where it was, how to approach it,
trial that he was particularly angered and motivated after he saw pictures of prisoners tortured at abu ghraib. we don't know much about mourad, he is apparently ofrench national, turned himself into the police. he comes from reims, not paris about 90 miles west of here. there was a major anti-terror campaign from the police earlier in the evening. and detectives pouring out of the apartment look for any evidence that would tie that apartment or that scene to these attacks. the other thing we...
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troops in abu ghraib to recruit. all as seen in court documents obtained by cnn in congress june.cuments, three of the men had already traveled to fallujah in 2004 when it was under the control of al qaeda. kouachi told the court he was relieved he was detained and was finished with so-called jihad. but in prison is where the real radicalization began. >> he was in prison with other hardliners. >> reporter: he was jailed for plotting to attack the u.s. embassy in pashgris in 2001. >> he became their spiritual mentor and continued the work in some way initiated. and maintained these links between them in prison radicalized them even more. because he was in direct contact with the highest ranking members of al qaeda at the time. >> reporter: this terrifying attack on french soil carried out not by returnees from syria, not by foreigners but by two brothers born and radicalized here in france. arwa damon, cnn, paris. >> turning to the other big story, two major breakthroughs in the search for theia crash. both black boxes have been located and one has been pulled out of the java sea.
troops in abu ghraib to recruit. all as seen in court documents obtained by cnn in congress june.cuments, three of the men had already traveled to fallujah in 2004 when it was under the control of al qaeda. kouachi told the court he was relieved he was detained and was finished with so-called jihad. but in prison is where the real radicalization began. >> he was in prison with other hardliners. >> reporter: he was jailed for plotting to attack the u.s. embassy in pashgris in 2001....
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troops abuse of detainees in abu ghraib prison. he was sentenced in 2008 but he didn't actually go to prison after the trial. half of his sentence was suspended and the rest spent in pre pretrial detention. in 2010 he was charged in connection with a foil plot to break an islamic out of prison. a man who bombed a commuter rail station in 1995 but prosecutors dropped the charges. cherif's older brother is 34. also a french citizen. according to a french affiliate, he left an i.d. document at the scene. like cherif he was known to police. in 2005 a newspaper reported that the brothers were both staying in paris with a frenchman who converted to islam and in 200810 said's name came up in connection with the prison break plot but there wasn't enough evidence to keep investigating him. all right. nic, let me bring you in. you outline how police were familiar with them and younger brother was known to security services but not considered -- they call him tier 1 suspects. do you think everything you know about these brothers that authorit
troops abuse of detainees in abu ghraib prison. he was sentenced in 2008 but he didn't actually go to prison after the trial. half of his sentence was suspended and the rest spent in pre pretrial detention. in 2010 he was charged in connection with a foil plot to break an islamic out of prison. a man who bombed a commuter rail station in 1995 but prosecutors dropped the charges. cherif's older brother is 34. also a french citizen. according to a french affiliate, he left an i.d. document at the...
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he had been a partier and that kind of thing he was moved by images at abu ghraib. his brother saed according to u.s. officials greta did some training in yemen. greta? >> amy, thank you. and tonight there is more disturbing new information about the terrorist suspect. they were not unknowns. they were on the radar french intelligence but how much did the u.s. officials know? fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge joins us. niles to see you, catherine. they were on france's radar? on ours? >> they were. both of the brothers were on the no fly list which means there is a high level of threat information indicating they would be a security risk and they are blocked from entering the united states. >> let me ask you if they are high risk why not pull the string and find the people high risk. >> that's up to the french. >> that would be up to the french cials all right. and on that score, i just want to elaborate on the point amy made. we were able to confirm earlier today through u.s. government sources that the older brother, 34-year-old kouachi
he had been a partier and that kind of thing he was moved by images at abu ghraib. his brother saed according to u.s. officials greta did some training in yemen. greta? >> amy, thank you. and tonight there is more disturbing new information about the terrorist suspect. they were not unknowns. they were on the radar french intelligence but how much did the u.s. officials know? fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge joins us. niles to see you, catherine. they were on...
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be a frustration there apparently these brothers what got them radicalized was the iraq war was abu ghraib not going away. that's still part of the reality. do i think if we are just looking at this from a pure political standpoint, i think probably more people would argue that american public would argue that having guantanamo open isn't it more, george, about this whole radical islamic extremist movement that is beyond any one thing like gitmo or anything the u.s. is doing they will still come after us. >> the world trade center was attacked not once but twice before gitmo became a camp for these people. the "u.s.s. cole" was attacked before gitmo. the whole point is they are radical islamist, they were before and they were after and we have a choice of capturing and killing them and deterring them. we can't however, say looking forward to when we get hit again. that our anti-policy is a failure. we don't say the policing of a city is a father if there are still murders and burglaries and assaults. there is only so much you can do in a free society with reasonably porous borders to preve
be a frustration there apparently these brothers what got them radicalized was the iraq war was abu ghraib not going away. that's still part of the reality. do i think if we are just looking at this from a pure political standpoint, i think probably more people would argue that american public would argue that having guantanamo open isn't it more, george, about this whole radical islamic extremist movement that is beyond any one thing like gitmo or anything the u.s. is doing they will still...
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. >> some say that we created it that the wars in iraq and afghanistan and abu ghraib and other places is what prompted this radicalism. do you believe that? >> that is absolute rubbish. this is a geopolitical movement what they tell us what their objectives are their objectives are to dominate and control muslim lands. caliphate is a good word for it. all muslim lands. eventually to dominate and control the world. the ideology and geopolitical vision are as great as communism. what is different about it is they use jihad or the ability to kill innocent or nonbelievers to accomplish those objectives. so the facts that 9-11 occurred and we responded to that somehow that has created this movement or grew this movement more rapidly makes no sense whatsoever. it is another failure to understand what is this geopolitical movement that is driven by radical islamist ideology. our leaders do not explain that to us. we do not get educated about what this is. therefore they are off the hook in terms of providing a comprehensive strategy. >> you talk about communism and we remember gorbachev and
. >> some say that we created it that the wars in iraq and afghanistan and abu ghraib and other places is what prompted this radicalism. do you believe that? >> that is absolute rubbish. this is a geopolitical movement what they tell us what their objectives are their objectives are to dominate and control muslim lands. caliphate is a good word for it. all muslim lands. eventually to dominate and control the world. the ideology and geopolitical vision are as great as communism. what...
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troops abusive detainees at abu ghraib in iraq where u.s.diers posed for photos with detainees in uncompromising position menopause he was convicted and sentenced in 2008 but bloomberg tv reported he didn't actually goes to prison after the trial. half of his three-year sentence was suspended. the rest, spent in pretrial detention. two years later, 2010 h he was charged in connection with a foiled plot to break an algerian islamist out of prison. a man who bombed a paris commuter rail station in 1995. but prosecutors later dropped the charges. cherif's older brother is said, 34, also a french citizen. according to cnn affiliate bfm tv he left an i.d. document at the scene. like cherif he was known to police. in 2005, the newspaper reported the brothers were both staying in paris with a french man who converted to islam. in 2010, said's name came up during the investigation into the prison break plot but accordi according to le monde there wasn't enough evidence to keep investigating him. >> joining me live now is nic robertson. ha was a grea
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the conduct of the war started diminishing with events like abu ghraib and other atrocities. i had a lot of friends, professional soldiers that i worked with every day that i respect the hell out of that have the same opinion that the character in the movie does. it's one of the ways we have to protect ourselves to go out there and leave the gate and do a mission is to believe you're doing the right thing. it's soul hurting and there's definitely moral injury involved when you start to lose that idea. i think that's the dangers of the american public not holding our decisionmakers accountable and making sure we don't send our soldiers to war when all peaceful solutions haven't been exhausted. >> in what you just described, there's a really interesting character dynamic to explore in this film, which the writer or director might not have been able to do, which is how does he hold onto that rational for what he does in this war, as the information continues to pour in that the war was waged under what turned out to be untrue pretenses. without getting to the question of whether
the conduct of the war started diminishing with events like abu ghraib and other atrocities. i had a lot of friends, professional soldiers that i worked with every day that i respect the hell out of that have the same opinion that the character in the movie does. it's one of the ways we have to protect ourselves to go out there and leave the gate and do a mission is to believe you're doing the right thing. it's soul hurting and there's definitely moral injury involved when you start to lose...
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grievances and they show up examples and say in syria, they say in gaza for example, and also iraq abu ghraibles of what they say is the world -- is the western world against islam. that of course is disputed by so many people here. but these are the grievances they hold and that's how they justify a lot of the views they have and in france in particular here it's a particularly difficult debate to have because it's such a fraught relationship with many muslims here even so many muslims are well integrated. one of the victims in the attacks here was a muslim policeman protecting the "charlie hebdo" offices. but it's a conversation that has to happen not only here in france but across europe. what are these grievances being held. how do you stop young men from making the decision to either carry out an attack like this or go join extremist groups like isis in syria. this is the wider and broader question that policymakers now really do have to take a serious look at. >> thanks for that atika and isa on the streets of paris. >>> elsa was the only woman killed when gunmen opened fire in the "cha
grievances and they show up examples and say in syria, they say in gaza for example, and also iraq abu ghraibles of what they say is the world -- is the western world against islam. that of course is disputed by so many people here. but these are the grievances they hold and that's how they justify a lot of the views they have and in france in particular here it's a particularly difficult debate to have because it's such a fraught relationship with many muslims here even so many muslims are...
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condone the speeches why must they do it in the -- >> i am astonished to see this an when we had abu ghraibbecause we are americans and stand for something better and here is maybe something hundreds of thousands of people murd manager the name of islam around the world doing that and saying it is the religious obligation and you are not concerned that people will misunderstand that and this that i wear is a symbol of what i believe h in and i know e that my actions reflect on the faith and i was told from the time i was a jewish child when i walk and with what i say and do will say whether my faith can shape the moral character and don't you want the islam to shine as a beacon to the world. >> of course he does. and here is the thing that people people, it is the yes, but. if someone says do you denounce or that, and then emphatic this is absolutely wrong, and wherever we can stand up we need to. >> don, i'm with you, and let me ask you a question, and when anders brevic killed 77 people did we have the same calls to have christians around the world world, was there a call for the condemni
condone the speeches why must they do it in the -- >> i am astonished to see this an when we had abu ghraibbecause we are americans and stand for something better and here is maybe something hundreds of thousands of people murd manager the name of islam around the world doing that and saying it is the religious obligation and you are not concerned that people will misunderstand that and this that i wear is a symbol of what i believe h in and i know e that my actions reflect on the faith...
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you look at the images from abu ghraib ghraib., when they're firing rockets, targets in iraq. and those are replayed and replayed and replayed. for an uneducated group of people like the -- that live in the slums around paris, all they can do is identify with islam and that we are oppressing muslims. that's the message that the islamic state is riding on. i agree, they are winning. >> so to bob's point, martha what should be put out? >> bob makes a very good point. well i think some of the issue is what's in the public domain in terms of what the press reports as a story and images that are just generally disseminated through social media as well. and again, there are places where isis has been pushed back. there are incidents and examples and there are plenty of images of isis being challenged. i think just beginning to form a dialogue that creates a narrative around that is important. i would agree that it's probably not going to be the most effective tool coming from the u.s. government to try to propaganda this in the interest
you look at the images from abu ghraib ghraib., when they're firing rockets, targets in iraq. and those are replayed and replayed and replayed. for an uneducated group of people like the -- that live in the slums around paris, all they can do is identify with islam and that we are oppressing muslims. that's the message that the islamic state is riding on. i agree, they are winning. >> so to bob's point, martha what should be put out? >> bob makes a very good point. well i think some...
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bush some of these attackers say it's the war in iraq it's guantanamo, it's abu ghraib.ee that as legitimate because you think the terrorists are going to seize on any excuse to carry out their acts. >> i think you can have a very sensible debate about whether it was sensible to do iraq or sensible to do guantanamo. what i'm saying is if you look at the justifications given, they are multiple and there's always a justification. in respect of france for example, they were opposed to the war in iraq and yet still, this terrorist attack occurs. when you look at it and analyze it whatever the justification that they give there always is one and it's always justifying killing totally innocent people. my view is this is deep it's global it's grown up over a number of decades and policy to deal with it has to deal with it recognizing that you are going to have to have short-term security measures in order to try and protect yourselves and then there's this longer term part which is around education and why is this ideology taking root that i think is the best that at the moment
bush some of these attackers say it's the war in iraq it's guantanamo, it's abu ghraib.ee that as legitimate because you think the terrorists are going to seize on any excuse to carry out their acts. >> i think you can have a very sensible debate about whether it was sensible to do iraq or sensible to do guantanamo. what i'm saying is if you look at the justifications given, they are multiple and there's always a justification. in respect of france for example, they were opposed to the...
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government and iraq around the world and they know the video ss and the pictures from abu ghraib and p in our country for this behavior, and so i believe that the president has struck the right tone. he has been critical of them and spoken to them about it but then he has not gone to the length of trying to publicly embarrass them because frankly it would not work, because we don't have the morale authority as far as they are concerned to take that stance. >> okay. sarah, do you want to e rerespond? >> sure. we have been hear nag the change is coming for a long long time but in fact if if you look at the the record the only change coming from saudi arabia is aggression and more activists in jail and more people being flogged and no ra real serious loosening of the absurd restrictions against women and in fact, just in january, already, in this year alone, saudi has beheaded ten people already including a burmese woman beheaded today. and again, if we don't think that these are good things when isis and al qaeda do them then sitit is not good when saudi arabia do them. >> they are not
government and iraq around the world and they know the video ss and the pictures from abu ghraib and p in our country for this behavior, and so i believe that the president has struck the right tone. he has been critical of them and spoken to them about it but then he has not gone to the length of trying to publicly embarrass them because frankly it would not work, because we don't have the morale authority as far as they are concerned to take that stance. >> okay. sarah, do you want to e...
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i may be wrong -- >> you mentioned images of abu ghraib. apparently one of the brothers was inspired by that and ended up joining the terrorist group. senator murphy made another statement. i want you to hear it and see what your response is. >> we shouldn't be full of such hubris in the united states that we don't have a conversation about the fact that there are things that we do action that's we take, that can -- actions that we take, that can create more terrorists, more threats to the united states. and there are things we can do actions we can take that will create less terrorists across the world. >> your response? >> well you know i don't think -- look i think the problems in the middle east at their root are demographic. you look at syria. water shortages. people being driven in from the country into the cities. a corrupt regime. there's a corrupt regime in saudi arabia and the rest of it. but we haven't done enough to disassociate ourselves from these regimes. you know when the saudis are flogging a blogger, we don't say anything.
i may be wrong -- >> you mentioned images of abu ghraib. apparently one of the brothers was inspired by that and ended up joining the terrorist group. senator murphy made another statement. i want you to hear it and see what your response is. >> we shouldn't be full of such hubris in the united states that we don't have a conversation about the fact that there are things that we do action that's we take, that can -- actions that we take, that can create more terrorists, more threats...
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-run abu ghraib jail outside of bagdad the torture, apparent torture of muslim detainees. this was something that radicalized him. but we're talking over a decade ago. this pair have continued, it seems, to have run in radical circles and continue this sort of reinforced vision that they need to fight. there are reports that we don't have confirmed yet that they may have even gone to syria. these are unconfirmed at this time being reported by some news organizations. all these things have to be checked out in greater detail. >> brings up questions about disenfranchisement among the algerian immigrant community there, et cetera. i want to ask about this third suspect. details seem to be a little confusing on this third suspect who turned himself in to police. tell us what you know at this point about this young man, an 18-year-old, correct? >> 18 years old. shortly after he was identified he turned himself in because he heard his name being identified according to colleagues at school he was at school in the afternoon and the implication by that would be that he wasn't the
-run abu ghraib jail outside of bagdad the torture, apparent torture of muslim detainees. this was something that radicalized him. but we're talking over a decade ago. this pair have continued, it seems, to have run in radical circles and continue this sort of reinforced vision that they need to fight. there are reports that we don't have confirmed yet that they may have even gone to syria. these are unconfirmed at this time being reported by some news organizations. all these things have to be...
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he stated it was the abu ghraib torture cartoons that actually motivated him to want to fight this jihads alienation,villification of islam as well as judaism. we see anti-semitism, anti-islam sentiment on the rise. it's important to look at this in the context of france and context of europe not just in this kind of us versus them, you know islam is inherently against secular western values. >> elliot last word to you. >> i didn't say that. what i am saying if you're a jew in western europe the problem of violence you face is coming from muslim communities. that's just a fact. >> i need to take another quick fact. i appreciate you both being here this morning discussing this from different perspectives. when we come back we will switch gears and ask how sony cyber attack helps us understand this week's controversial oscar nominations and oscar snubs. the answer to that is right after this. at ally bank no branches equals great rates. it's a fact. kind of like mute buttons equal danger. ...that sound good? not being on this phone call sounds good. it's not muted. was that you jason? it w
he stated it was the abu ghraib torture cartoons that actually motivated him to want to fight this jihads alienation,villification of islam as well as judaism. we see anti-semitism, anti-islam sentiment on the rise. it's important to look at this in the context of france and context of europe not just in this kind of us versus them, you know islam is inherently against secular western values. >> elliot last word to you. >> i didn't say that. what i am saying if you're a jew in...
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then abu ghraib happens. then we start to learn about cia torture sites. see muslim prisoners in orange jumpsuits with woods been wrought and desiccation of the kor that happens. you can bea see anwar al awlaki becoming radicalized. he basically starts using youtube as his online mosque. he are ready was known around the world for so much yet recorded on cds. not only was he fluent in english and arabic, but spoke in the linkage of the street. he would make pop cultural references. he was sort of mimic the way malcolm x. spoke in terms of his risks and other things. you would make reference to international football teams and matches and make comparisons when you're tried to spread the religion, you don't wait to show up like the post office, you are to go at it like fedex. he was the guy i think you had is a guilty younger western muslims. i listen to many, many many days worth of anwar al awlaki's preaching. up until the invasion of iraq, there were three little you could look and say, here's a guy who is going to be very anti-american. in fact, he suppo
then abu ghraib happens. then we start to learn about cia torture sites. see muslim prisoners in orange jumpsuits with woods been wrought and desiccation of the kor that happens. you can bea see anwar al awlaki becoming radicalized. he basically starts using youtube as his online mosque. he are ready was known around the world for so much yet recorded on cds. not only was he fluent in english and arabic, but spoke in the linkage of the street. he would make pop cultural references. he was sort...
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invasion of iraq in 2003 particularly by the abuse of prisoners at abu ghraib a short time after the invasion. we're learning much more about from what the french authorities knew before this attack. the sad fact is they knew about both brothers had had them under surveillance for some time before this attack and one had served time in prison and been arrested more than once. we also are now told the french justice minister telling christiane amanpour one of them traveled to yemen a number of years ago before this attack all this happening before the deadly shooting in paris just down the street behind me two days ago. as the manhunt continues for the attackers in the countryside outside of paris, a clearer picture is emerging of the gunmen behind the masks. authorities have identified brothers cherif kouachi, 32 years old, and said kouachi, as the chief suspects. the two left behind a getaway car and inside a key clue said's i.d. card the gunman's first mistake. >> it was mace take a single mistake. >> reporter: both brothers were known to french authorities and had been under polic
invasion of iraq in 2003 particularly by the abuse of prisoners at abu ghraib a short time after the invasion. we're learning much more about from what the french authorities knew before this attack. the sad fact is they knew about both brothers had had them under surveillance for some time before this attack and one had served time in prison and been arrested more than once. we also are now told the french justice minister telling christiane amanpour one of them traveled to yemen a number of...
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and as david had just made a statement about that one of these radicalized murderers feels abu ghraib the reason why he was flipped and feels that he has to go out and vindicate such atrocities that have been performed against his own society. >> it's the point that chris was making earlier that these individuals feel they need to feel empowered to do something because they are lost in their societies. they find this cause. it's a romantic idealistic cause and they feel the only way to express themselves in that way is through this deadly -- >> let me bring in chris dickey who wants to get in. >> yeah. i mean i think we're talking about this as if terrorism and these kinds of issues existed only in the context of islam. that's untrue. you look at terrorist moments, terrorist actions anywhere in the world. they have sort of three basic elements in common. we can talk about the ira, we can talk about sri lanka or any place you want. it will involve young men. who basically have nothing else to do. it's going to involve their identification with a narrative in which they are protecting p
and as david had just made a statement about that one of these radicalized murderers feels abu ghraib the reason why he was flipped and feels that he has to go out and vindicate such atrocities that have been performed against his own society. >> it's the point that chris was making earlier that these individuals feel they need to feel empowered to do something because they are lost in their societies. they find this cause. it's a romantic idealistic cause and they feel the only way to...
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permanent condition as we say the kouachi problems cherif kouachi was radicalized because iraqi abu ghraib what are the other seeds planted since 9/11. again, 9/11 not really having anything to do with radicalization. more about the iraq war. but what other seeds are you worried about that are going to come back to roost against the homeland? >> it's a very interesting commentary when you do hear that some allege that it's the treatment of muslims in abu ghraib that has motivated them to this violence to this extremism. but also be very very clear. muslims, the zealots have killed more mus himlims than werners. it's hard to use the word rational when you look at their conduct, i think it's much more than that. i do think there are within that religion and there's over a billion men and women that practice it. it's a very devout religion. nose those who strike out against the moderate world and refuse to accept any kind of western influence in their communities. to that end it's the biggest challenge we all have. >> are you glad mitt romney is jumping in and who is going to win the super bo
permanent condition as we say the kouachi problems cherif kouachi was radicalized because iraqi abu ghraib what are the other seeds planted since 9/11. again, 9/11 not really having anything to do with radicalization. more about the iraq war. but what other seeds are you worried about that are going to come back to roost against the homeland? >> it's a very interesting commentary when you do hear that some allege that it's the treatment of muslims in abu ghraib that has motivated them to...
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>>> "heat index" this real estate agent is under fire being sued by clients who say the mall abu ghraibd. brandi hitt has the story. >> reporter: his clients include ellen degeneres richard gere and kid rock and featured on "million dollar listing" with more than $2 billion in sales chris was named coldwell banker's top real estate agent in the world by "forbes" magazine but this morning one of his luxury listings may be landing him in hot water. when hong kong billionairery roche shui huriki bought this mansion in 2007 he claimed he was told it was the largest home in malibu at 15,000 square feet. >> that was nothing but a lie. nothing but a fraud. >> reporter: after the sale closed horiike found county records showing the home is less than 10,000 square feet. one-third smaller than advertised. >> i think even their experts said that the doghouse can count. >> reporter: horiike is filing suit against him and coldwell saying they misled him about the size. >> the realtors have a fantastic disclosure they include at the bottom of the multiple listing sheet that says we're not responsible
>>> "heat index" this real estate agent is under fire being sued by clients who say the mall abu ghraibd. brandi hitt has the story. >> reporter: his clients include ellen degeneres richard gere and kid rock and featured on "million dollar listing" with more than $2 billion in sales chris was named coldwell banker's top real estate agent in the world by "forbes" magazine but this morning one of his luxury listings may be landing him in hot water....
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iraq to fight american forces there and he said at his trial, he was motivated by prisoners at the abu ghraib prison, under the control of the american authorities outside of baghdad at the time, so very well known and the question's now being raised with the intelligence community, why weren't they watching him closer. he may have been under surveillance at some point. >> dana, thank you very much. >> we continue team coverage with senior washington correspondent, mike viqueira. ok when something this horrific happens, the rest of the world feels it, the u.s. is feeling it. how is the u.s. responding to what happened in paris yesterday? >> well, first and foremost and good morning to you in a concrete fashion the f.b.i. director james comey announcing that the f.b.i. is assisting french authorities in the investigation. there have been several expresses of solidarity, defenses of the freedom of expression we heard that from the oval office and throughout america. >> let's talk about the oval office the president held a strategy session in the oval office wednesday with vice president biasedd
iraq to fight american forces there and he said at his trial, he was motivated by prisoners at the abu ghraib prison, under the control of the american authorities outside of baghdad at the time, so very well known and the question's now being raised with the intelligence community, why weren't they watching him closer. he may have been under surveillance at some point. >> dana, thank you very much. >> we continue team coverage with senior washington correspondent, mike viqueira. ok...