one of the things that was inque was, it was announced abu ghraib's desk at the number of machines being sold was probably 2000 to 3000 machine range. waiting forre just this machine to be announced. chomping at the bit, saying we need something better. month, abby and managed to sell 3000. there were roughly 15,000 of these machines sold. if i took a population study of all the computers in the world, from 1965, roughly one out of would be a 1400 class machine. a marvelous success as far as ibm was concerned. a lead-in systems 360, which was announced by ibm in 1964 and brought in a new architecture for ibm infrastructure. know, and may be running today with 1401 programs with ibm's mainframe and 360 architecture. her staffies to recently traveled to san jose, california, to learn about its rich history. learn more about san jose and other stops on our tour at www.c-span.org/citiestour. you are watching american history tv, all weekend come every weekend, on c-span 3. c-span, where history unfolds daily. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service a

bush was president and the abu ghraib prison situation happened in iran, "the new york times" was holding him personally responsible for the actions of a few american soldiers in an iraqi prison. so i assure you that presidents are held accountable under other circumstances and former president obama should have been held accountable for this. >> there's no evidence, jeffrey. >> it's apples and oranges. >> you can't hold any president responsible for leaks, unless you think the president personally all administrations leak lie sieves. what you suggested, jeffrey, were criminal violations which of course presidents are being held responsible for. >> it's a criminal violation to leak classified information? >> that's true. but you don't blame presidents for that. because every president, including the current serving president, is faced with this every day. >> i'll take the last word, guys. ambassador jeffrey, our thank you to all of you for joining us for that spirited discussion. >>> still ahead this hour, international incident -- a top national security official calling british spying a

justice department in the fall of 2004, just seven just seven months after the publication of the abu ghraib photos and only five months after the "washington post" published one of the torture programs foundation documents. that was a memo written by the policy steady interrogation methods would be lawful unless theinflicted the kind of pain ordinarily associated with organ failure or death. it was a chilling document then and there remains an astonishing document today. it's also worth noting that judge gorsuch appears not to registered disagreement with any of the policies that he defended, the other officials did. nor is there evidence he registered discomfort with any other broad arguments of the justice department advanced in support of those policies. though again others did. the documents provided by the justice department suggest that judge gorsuch was comfortable with the policies and with the bush administrations defenses of them. it was a challenge is to the policies that troubled him. senator durbin asked judge gorsuch about an email of which it criticizes lawyers who represente

immigration service with its expanded expedited removal playing great power in the hands of agents and abu ghraib occurred as the op-ed pointed out is poor leadership and now more than ever you need lawyers for immigrants as people as i understand it in the constitution, there is due process for every person in the country, and yet, i immigrants are not guaranteed that legal help. i spent 30 years placing cases in pro bono and know what a difference the lawyers make. thank you. >> thank you for taking the time, my name is angel villas and i'm an immigrant and my entire family is immigrants and i can tell you firsthand, immigrants documented or undocumented come with one goal, to achieve the american dream. they seem refuge and come to work hard. immigrants contribute to our economy; they pay taxes. so there comes a time where you have to stand and be counted. supervisors, this is one of those of times. it is an immigration issue. therefore, it's a human rights issue. so please support this legislation. without representation, this particular segment of our community are the most vulnerable. they

immigration service with its expanded expedited removal playing great power in the hands of agents and abu ghraib occurred as the op-ed pointed out is poor leadership and now more than ever you need lawyers for immigrants as people as i understand it in the constitution, there is due process for every person in the country, and yet, i immigrants are not guaranteed that legal help. i spent 30 years placing cases in pro bono and know what a difference the lawyers make. thank you. >> thank you for taking the time, my name is angel villas and i'm an immigrant and my entire family is immigrants and i can tell you firsthand, immigrants documented or undocumented come with one goal, to achieve the american dream. they seem refuge and come to work hard. immigrants contribute to our economy; they pay taxes. so there comes a time where you have to stand and be counted. supervisors, this is one of those of times. it is an immigration issue. therefore, it's a human rights issue. so please support this legislation. without representation, this particular segment of our community are the most vulnerable. they

immigration service with its expanded expedited removal playing great power in the hands of agents and abu ghraib occurred as the op-ed pointed out is poor leadership and now more than ever you need lawyers for immigrants as people as i understand it in the constitution, there is due process for every person in the country, and yet, i immigrants are not guaranteed that legal help. i spent 30 years placing cases in pro bono and know what a difference the lawyers make. thank you. >> thank you for taking the time, my name is angel villas and i'm an immigrant and my entire family is immigrants and i can tell you firsthand, immigrants documented or undocumented come with one goal, to achieve the american dream. they seem refuge and come to work hard. immigrants contribute to our economy; they pay taxes. so there comes a time where you have to stand and be counted. supervisors, this is one of those of times. it is an immigration issue. therefore, it's a human rights issue. so please support this legislation. without representation, this particular segment of our community are the most vulnerable. they

most transparent administration in history, and on and on, and beginning with not releasing the abu ghraib photos in 2009. he went back on that promise. he did not have the most transparent administration. i am happy my friends in the press are getting excited about the president of the united states. some free press groups have been pretty tough on obama as well. but he's the espionage act. did everyone here? he commuted the chelsea manning. that happened right before it started. if that undercuts my argument, i'm sorry. but i wanted to spread the news in this room. so this promise of this constitutionist guy i think in many ways failed and he's leaving donald trump with a more loaded gun when it comes to executive power than he would have otherwise had and that's kind of the opposite of what the promise was going in. think about this in terms of the drug war, which is something i paid some attention to. you'd think a guy that was in the chung gang might not be openingly laughing about someone about legalized marijuana or tolerate states who had done so. he immediately passed george w. bu

immigration service with its expanded expedited removal playing great power in the hands of agents and abu ghraib occurred as the op-ed pointed out is poor leadership and now more than ever you need lawyers for immigrants as people as i understand it in the constitution, there is due process for every person in the country, and yet, i immigrants are not guaranteed that legal help. i spent 30 years placing cases in pro bono and know what a difference the lawyers make. thank you. >> thank you for taking the time, my name is angel villas and i'm an immigrant and my entire family is immigrants and i can tell you firsthand, immigrants documented or undocumented come with one goal, to achieve the american dream. they seem refuge and come to work hard. immigrants contribute to our economy; they pay taxes. so there comes a time where you have to stand and be counted. supervisors, this is one of those of times. it is an immigration issue. therefore, it's a human rights issue. so please support this legislation. without representation, this particular segment of our community are the most vulnerable. they

his rolling on congressional 30, after photographs surfaced in 2004 showing horrific abuses at abu ghraib, they spearheaded the treaty act. judge gore sick push were saying the president could disregard that law with the extent that it could -- he said it was best read as codifying existing interrogation policies. policies that included waterboarding and other forms of torture and abuse that congress specifically intended to prohibit. second on judicial review, judg a gorsuch sought. [inaudible] he played a lead role in the habeas litigation strategy where the government argued that the president has the power to disregard the geneva conventions and the courts are powerless to review that decision. the supreme court ultimately rejected these and denied detainees. third, torture and on standing up for human dignity. some people, including political appointees in the bushto administration like alberto mora, were horrified when they discover that our government has a policy of torturing prisoners and tried to stop it. judge gorsuch, by contrast seem to have devoted his energies to defending

june 2004 after the terrible abu ghraib torture scandal, i offered the first legislation to ban cruel and human and degrading treatment of detainees. the legislation became the mccain torture amendment which despite a veto threat by president bush passed this senate in december 2005 by an overwhelming 90-9 vote. but judge gorsuch advocated that the president should issue a statement claiming that the mccain amendment was, quote, essentially codifying, close quote, torture techniques like water boobing. this is despite overwhelming evidence from senator mccain and others in congress that this was intended to do the exact opposite by outlawing cruel treatment. judge gorsuch testified that he was simply an attorney working for a client but gorsuch's e-mail correspondence viewed that he was viewed as, quote, true loyalist to the republican administration, and this is a client that the judge actively lobbied to serve, even though their troubled record on torture was already a matter of public record. these documents from gorsuch's tenure at the department of justice with respect not availa

immigration service with its expanded expedited removal playing great power in the hands of agents and abu ghraib occurred as the op-ed pointed out is poor leadership and now more than ever you need lawyers for immigrants as people as i understand it in the constitution, there is due process for every person in the country, and yet, i immigrants are not guaranteed that legal help. i spent 30 years placing cases in pro bono and know what a difference the lawyers make. thank you. >> thank you for taking the time, my name is angel villas and i'm an immigrant and my entire family is immigrants and i can tell you firsthand, immigrants documented or undocumented come with one goal, to achieve the american dream. they seem refuge and come to work hard. immigrants contribute to our economy; they pay taxes. so there comes a time where you have to stand and be counted. supervisors, this is one of those of times. it is an immigration issue. therefore, it's a human rights issue. so please support this legislation. without representation, this particular segment of our community are the most vulnerable. they