i wasn't involved in abu ghraib at all, nor was my organisation.ained interrogators, none of the trained interpreters, none of the infrastructure, and nobody had had experience in doing this before because the us army thought about in terms of prisoners of war in a world war two kind of construct. this was a case where we had terrorists and we were trying to figure out what us policy and what military execution of that policy would be for dealing with them. we didn't do it very well, i mean the reality is... did you get useful information? because you'll know that president trump has spoken approvingly of some form of enhanced interrogation. yeah. we got tremendous, useful information, but i would never be in favour of enhanced interrogation or torture, because in the long run, it corrodes your force, it degrades your moral capacity. we got our best information from extended conversations with detainees. we had one detainee that ultimately led us to abu musab al—zarqawi. we had him for 50 days, we interrogated him with a man and a woman interrogati

i wasn't involved in abu ghraib at all, nor was my organisation. kind of construct. policy would be foridn't do it very well, i mean the reality is... did you get useful information? approvingly of some form of enhanced interrogation. yeah. it degrades your moral capacity. with detainees. we had one detainee that ultimately led us to abu musab al—zarqawi. and a woman interrogation team every day. and that's what actually works. who you oversaw the killing of. he features in your book on leaders. yeah, right. the relationship you have with him. yeah. well, it's the right term. not just a terrorist leader but a leader. hot with belief. and self there. well, you always have to look in the mirror. but he was an effective leader. a charismatic leader. were you an effective leader? i think so. journalist? i'm not a perfect leader. over the long—term. now, you were in such an important position over iraq and afghanistan. at the situation there now? i think the invasion of iraq was a mistake. to an area where that was unlikely to stick easily. regime was going to stabilise the region. but i did

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. >> the previous photograph, it looks almost like somebody out of abu ghraib.what is go on there. >> i went on an all-night patrol with the soldiers, and we were in the sunni triangle, and they said that there were people they thought were insurgents, so we raid this -- a series of homes in the middle of the night and went in and they just around up men in masks and put bags on their heads and zip ties on their where i wases and then the next sort of throughout the night they took them into this room to photograph them and process them and so we were able to photograph and -- we couldn't talk to anyone but we were able to document what was happening. this is before -- i think before abu ghraib. >> that was june 2004. >> this is the inside of a c17 cargo aircraft. this cleared out the inside of the aircraft because there were so many wound soldiers out of pflum ya and the laid the wound on the floor of the aircraft. and this is how they were flying a young man to ram stein in germany. he had been wounded in the battle of fallujah. they took him on a school bus t

dehumanization of abu ghraib i mean all those abuses that were supposedly committed by human rights respect and actuaries abroad rather than at home i wonder if let's be clear i mean there the basic premise of universal human rights is that human rights abuses occur every place and anybody who tries to say there are countries that are rights respecting and others that are not isn't isn't really taking taking account of that reality from the united states myself and in the united states there are all sorts of groups that work on human rights abuse in the united states every day because there's a lot still to be done. in preparation for this interview went through your twitter feed and you quite often repeat people who have a somewhat many key in the world they believe that there are certain countries who will represent clear abusers of human rights like russia china cuba syria and then there are others who are more respectful of human rights like the united states or western europe do you think that division. is less clear cut this i.

dehumanization of abu ghraib i mean all those abuses that were supposedly committed by human rights respect and actuaries abroad rather than at home i wonder if let's be clear i mean there the basic premise of universal human rights is that human rights abuses occur every place and anybody who tries to say there are countries that are rights respect and others that are not isn't isn't really taking taking account of that reality from the united states myself and in the united states there are all sorts of groups that work on human rights or be.

dehumanization of abu ghraib i mean all those abuses that were supposedly committed by human rights respect and actuaries abroad rather than at home i wonder if let's be clear i mean there the basic premise of universal human rights is that human rights abuses occur every place and anybody who tries to say there are countries that are rights respecting and others that are not isn't isn't really taking taking account of that reality i'm from the united states myself and the. in the united states there are all sorts of groups that work on human rights abuse in the united states every day because there's a lot still to be done. in preparation for this interview when through your twitter feed you quite often meet people who have a sound with many key in the world they believe that there are certain countries who will represent clear abusers of human rights like russia china cuba syria and then there are others who are more respectful of human rights like the united states or western europe do you think that division. is less. i think the division was never that clear and i do think there are a

this was before, i figure was before abu ghraib -- when was that? >> 2004? >> right about that time. this was the inside of his c-17 cargo aircraft. they cleared out the inside of the aircraft because there were so many mood wounded soldiers coming out of falluja. they laid the wounded on the floor of the aircraft. this is how there were flying a young man in germany. he had been wounded in the battle of lou jeff. they took him on a school bus to the aircraft. they loaded him like this. these images were really, really hard to capture. i had been covering war at that point for three years. i had never really seen wounded american soldiers. it was something that was very off-limits to us. when a soldier died, it was even more sensitive. this is a situation where hours with medevac team. they picked up this young man, he had stepped on an ied. he lost 9 pints of blood. when he picked him up, he was totally unresponsive. they took him to a field hospital and i was there photographing for 29 minutes while they tried to keep them alive. the cut open his chest, ma

will it be another abu ghraib or milie or kent state? no, it won't be, but the president has seeded those fears and it's really unfortunate because it's another slam against an institution that provides for the security of the united states. >> okay. lieutenant general mark hertl g hertling, so important insight. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >>> let's talk more about the broader politics of this. our chief political correspondent dana bash is back. you importantly last hour reminded us of the republican autopsy conducted after mitt romney lost in 2012. that we have to expand the umbrella. we have to talk to hispanic voters. we have to do better with them. it's the opposite of what the president has done from the minute he came down that escalator and announced his candidacy. and it may work for him. it did in 2016. it may work for him in some ways in the midterms here. may work for him in 2020, but at what cost to the republican party as a whole, by saying treat rocks thrown by migrants as rifles, et cetera, and if it's goi

disturbed in pictures revealed scenes which provoked comparisons with the torture of prisoners at abu ghraib in iraq today thirty people went on trial for charges including severe bodily harm among the defendants are managers social workers and private security guards who worked at the center. the suspects are facing fifty four charges of having abused and humiliated asylum seekers in the city of perth. in late twenty thirteen a former military barracks was being used as emergency accommodation for asylum seekers later it was officially turned into a reception center and accommodation facility for migrants. the common thread throughout the indictments is the accusation that residents were locked in against their will i would call this unlawful detention this happened in many of the cases and then we have individual cases that also include aggravated assault and abusive coersion. these pictures of apparent abuse in burbank are presented as proof that male asylum seekers were tied up locked away and forced to sleep in their own vomit apparently in an attempt to discipline them without involvin

his unit took over abu ghraib prison after the big scandal there they were mp's and on that wall it saysre it says right there follow me. where did you get that? we thought he got it from you and now i can't talk on the phone i always told jimmy, when you lead men you lead from the front. his men followed him everywhere. i wish i could have all those guys here today and toll what type of man he is here. there is three kids named after jimmy today. i have a friend of mine who has these coins i want to give to you and brian and steve. ainsley: that's so sweet. >> it's an nypd one made up by a friend of ours detective sammy. iit shows like carroll said before people come up years later what a guy jimmy was and how he led me. there is a couple -- one guy physician assistant now because of jimmy, because he instilled that. he took care of his men and that's the big thing here for me as a father. as a young kid come up, man, your son took care of me. how much more can you be proud of your son? ainsley: that's wonderful. every time we see nypd officers we always here at fox say thank you to the