in two thousand and four appalling images emerged from abu ghraib prison in iraq we also have deeply disturbing footage starkly illustrating the desperation the regime created in prison is. the images from abu ghraib cool's shock around the world and in the off to martha eleven relatively low ranking u.s. soldiers were convicted with sentences ranging from imprisonment to reprimand. afterwards major general miller he did vised about interrogation addressed a press conference in the prison yes i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq for the actions of the small number of leaders and soldiers who violated our policy may have. committed criminal acts major general miller insisted the torture and abuse at abu ghraib was the responsibility of roots soldiers not to the point out of a top down culture we tried unsuccessfully to contact major general miller through the u.s. department of defense they declined to pass on our questions as his not retired our own procedures are internationally recognized for his bay detention of proper interrogation today the us has a new com

in two thousand and four appalling images emerged from abu ghraib prison in iraq we also have deeply disturbing footage starkly illustrating the desperation the regime created in prison is. the images from abu ghraib cool's shock around the world and in the off to martha eleven relatively low ranking u.s. soldiers were convicted with sentences ranging from imprisonment to reprimand. afterwards major general miller he did vised about interrogation addressed a press conference in the prison yes i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq for the actions of the small number of leaders and soldiers who violated our policy may have. committed criminal acts major general miller insisted the torture and abuse at abu ghraib was the responsibility of roots soldiers notice the put out of a top down culture we tried unsuccessfully to contact major general miller through the u.s. department of defense they declined to pass on our questions as his not retired our own procedures for internationally recognized for his bay detention of proper interrogation today the us has a new comma

should apologize for or don't think so i was on the record as apologizing for the abu ghraib problem the opera group situation obviously some of our soldiers had screwed up their the embarrass the nation the embarrass their credibility inside a brac i apologize for that but i think by and large there is nothing to apologize for nothing to apologize for so when the u.s. invaded iraq in two thousand and three in defiance of international law no w m d's found no al qaeda connections terror threat to the us increased thousands of people tortured hundreds of thousands killed millions displaced from their homes iran's influence increased in the region eisel born in iraq several trillion dollars burned through in the process you know that requires any kind of you know well we got some things wrong well we certainly did get some things wrong but that's what happens unlike being in the media where you can write a editorial saying i got it wrong you don't get to do overs in history you don't get to do over in these types of events look i understand your point of view you've had that point of v

should apologize for or don't think so i was on the record as apologizing for the abu ghraib problem the opera group situation obviously some of our soldiers had screwed up their the embarrass the nation the embarrass their credibility inside a brac i apologize for that but i think by and large there is nothing to apologize for nothing to apologize for so when. the us invaded iraq in two thousand and three in defiance of international law no w m d's found no al qaeda connections terror threat to the us increased thousands of people tortured hundreds of thousands killed millions displaced from their homes iran's influence increased in the region eisel born in iraq several trillion dollars burned through in the process you know that requires any kind of you know well we got some things wrong well we certainly did get some things wrong but that's what happens unlike being in the media where you can write a editorial saying i got it wrong you don't get to do overs in history you don't get to do over in these types of the bents look i understand your point of view you had that point of vi

locked in isolation they are flogged they are tear gassed it's like when it came out it was like abu ghraib. exactly the same thing now that boy has add now and he's won some compensation but they still after him they try to get him at every may and unfortunately he's he's a very quiet passionate person and he's trying to do the right thing but he doesn't realize that the place i'm gonna get him because he's won a case and that's just in the northern territory we the government just approved doing that they welcome issue and the northern territory but our people said we wonder what across the board the same thing is happening in queensland it's happening in every state in this country where our kids are being tortured as as children so that's better that would be it into being the mining it would be the children being taken away and it would be the high incarceration rates of app of our people you can't really call a third world it's almost it's beyond in many ways it's beyond conditions in africa or in india remote communities in this country which holds the real they're the real heartland

people who some of you some of whom you believe are security threats and putting them not just in abu ghraib but come to current crop or and all the bases did you think at the time did you imagine that you know what we're laying the groundwork for i so you know i did what did you say at the time what did you say to your colleagues you actually predicted that this would happen i didn't predict it i was worried about it i was worried at the time that the mass incarceration of what the troops on the ground believe would be security threats would come back to haunt us yes and yet you said i told that to my colleagues and i told that to my spirit so that knowing that thinking that then and knowing what we know now you still started this interview saying we don't have anything to apologize i don't think we do have anything to apologize giving them or helping give the world eisel well first of all let's make sure we understand eisel was not created inside of iraq was it created well they started out primarily inside of syria al qaeda or if you're suggesting that it's a business that started in iraq

should apologize for or don't think so i was on the record as apologizing for the abu ghraib problem the opera group situation obviously some of our soldiers had screwed up their the embarrass the nation the embarrass their credibility inside of iraq i apologize for that but i think by and large there is nothing to apologize for nothing to apologize for so when the u.s. invaded iraq in two thousand and three in defiance of international law no w m d's found no al qaeda connections terror threat to the us increased thousands of people tortured hundreds of thousands killed millions displaced from their homes iran's influence increased in the region eisel born in iraq several trillion dollars burned through in the process you know that requires any kind of you know well we got some things wrong well we certainly did get some things wrong but that's what happens unlike being in the media where you can write a editorial saying i got it wrong you don't get to do overs in history you don't get to do over in these types of events look i understand your point of view you've had that point of

talk to anybody but we were able to document what was happening but this was before upgrade -- abu ghraib, he was around that time. this was the inside of a c-17 cargo aircraft. they had cleared out the inside of the aircraft because there were so many wounded soldiers coming out of falluja and they laid the wounded on the floor of the aircraft. this is how they were flying a younger man to germany, he had been wounded in the battle of falluja. they took him on a school bus to the aircraft and loaded him in. these images were hard to capture. i had been covering war for three years and never seen wounded american soldiers. it was something that was off-limits to us. when a soldier died it was even more sensitive. picked up this young man, he had stepped on an ied, lost 9 pints of blood. he was totally unresponsive. they took him to a field hospital and i was photographing to keep him alive. they cut open his chest, massaged his heart. it was incredibly devastating. the entire room filled with soldiers and officers. at one point, you can't put your camera down, you can't shoot this and i w

well to the united states or those countries in the historical record, violent episodes of abuse, abu ghraib, whatever it may be, but the idea that the president of the united states would either explicitly or implicitly countenance the execution of the american-based journalist in a place like the turkish consulate is appalling, appalling. now, the united states has always had a relationship with the saudis that is worth criticizing. during the gulf war, both gulf wars as well. but this, i think, for a lot of people, a bridge too far, and i think it's going to have -- it's already having an effect. i think there's no one more delighted by this than iran. you know, iran is certainly not a regime that is littered with innocence, but this is a disaster, and it's a moral disaster. >> david remnick, thank you so much for joining us. >> always a pleasure. >>> so reports that robert mueller's investigation of russian interference into the 2016 election may be coming to an end seem to be exaggerated. in yesterday's sentencing memo for former national security adviser michael flynn, mueller praised

the images from abu ghraib caused shock around the world and in the off to martha eleven relatively low ranking u.s. soldiers were convicted with sentences ranging from imprisonment to reprimand. afterwards major general miller he did vised about interrogation addressed a press conference in the prison yes i would like to personally apologize to the people of iraq for the actions of the small number of leaders in soldiers who violated our policy have. committed criminal acts major general miller insisted the torture and abuse at abu ghraib was the responsibility of roots soldiers notice the put out of the top down culture we tried unsuccessfully to contact major general miller through the u.s. department of defense they declined to pass on our questions as his not retirement our own procedures or internationally recognized for his bay detention of proper interrogation today the us has a new commander in chief during his election campaign and pretty cool for the return of waterboarding a practice condemned by un special rapporteur as torture they said what do you think of waterboarding i

we've had revelations during the bush administration -- ed: abu ghraib prison. >> all of that, it's stolenn publish it for the purpose of informing people. well, you can't puppet, you can't put -- you can't put assange in a different position. we may not like what he communicates, but he was a media facility. he was putting that information out. every newspaper, station grabbed it and published it. ed: but there was not coordination you're saying between the trump campaign and wikileaks. >> none. i was with donald trump day in and day out for the last four months of the campaign. he was as surprised as a i was about the wikileaks exposures. we were wondering is it true, and they never denied it. the thing that's missing here, the thing that really got hillary is not so much that they were revealed, but they were true. she actually had people as bad as that, and she really was cheating on the debates, she really was getting from donna brazile the questions beforehand. she really did completely screw bernie sanders. every bit of that was absolutely true. just like the pentagon papers put a d

likely than the latter but stepping back there is a continuum of social needs people have, and abu ghraib in the shower is pretty straightforward, worrying about whether there is an apartment but that arm grab in is very different. this is a long-term discussion of how to better coordinate health. people are talking grid usually about social needs. i used to work in a hospital. we didn't run the hospital well. you don't want us running your apartment. there should be division of labor but we have to figure out how. >> i think this opportunity of testing and evaluating and gathering evidence, kept within the plan itself. private plans evaluating new approaches and definitely going to evaluate the roa for supplemental benefits but there needs to be sharing of that information and here is where dms can play a role where they provide independent evaluation of what it means with these benefits and the impact on spending and beneficiary caregiver because not all of them produce the types of savings or improvement and experience of care. i want to end with this note that a third of the medicare