i cannot promise it with regard to abu mazan, i cannot promise it about our government, i can promiseou that we -- that myself and our party will not sway about this objective. trying to move israel toward reconciliation of the conflict. >> charlie: i hear -- and this is my last question -- i hear in your voicend your intensity and your passion the sense that we are at, as they say, a pregnant moment. >> it's clearly the time to make a choice between history and politics. certain reality checks about the mechanics of politics do it and about our security interest that cannot be ignored when we move toward this. and be realistic about the fact we need another partner, we need the palestinians passionate about ending the conflict. we cannot impose it upon them alone but it's clearly a moment when we have to move intensely and make sure that this opportunity is not missed. >> charlie: and they have to understand your security needs and you have to understand their minimum needs to create a successful state. >> yeah. yeah. clearly so. >> charlie: and you have said to me that when you look