that man is abu musab al zarqawi, the godfather of isis.rqawi swore allegiance to osama bin laden and became the leader of al qaeda in iraq. >> the u.s. has described him as one of the world's most dangerous terrorists. >> zarqawi's ultimate goal was to create an islamic state. and events in iraq were going to give him the chance to realize his dream. >> the old military needed to be formally disbanded. >> saddam hussein's military was out on the street, and then american soldiers captured saddam himself. >> we got him. >> sunnis were out of favor and out of jobs, but they had guns and organizational prowess. zarqawi began recruiting them. >> zarqawi was a major celebrity in 2004. he became, i mean, a rock star. >> some of the worst violence americans saw on their tv screens during the iraq war came courtesy of zarqawi. >> he was like a terrorist psychopath. >> sunni insurgents inspired by al qaeda's leader in iraq abu musab al zarqawi blew up a holy shia shrine. >> the murders of innocent civilians, indiscriminate bombings, even beheadings

that man is abu musab al zarqawi, the godfather of isis. zarqawi swore allegiance to osama bin laden and became the leader of al qaeda in iraq. >> the u.s. has described him as one of the world's most dangerous terrorists. >> zarqawi's ultimate goal was to create an islamic state. and events in iraq were going to give him the chance to realize his dream. >> the old military needed to be formally disbanded. >> saddam hussein's military was out on the street an then american soldiers captured saddam himself. >> we got him. >> sunnis were out of favor and out of jobs, but they had guns and organizational prowess. zarqawi began recruiting them. >> zarqawi was a major celebrity in 2004. he became, i mean, a rock star. >> some of the worst violence americans saw on their tv screens during the iraq war came courtesy of zarqawi. >> he was like a terrorist psychopath. >> sunni insurgents inspired by al qaeda's leader in iraq abu musab al zarqawi blew up a holy shiite shrine. >> the murders of innocent civilians, indiscriminate bombings, even beheadi

isis' first leader, the founder of the group, if you will, abu musab al zarqawi, who really bought thistream, was killed by americans. does isis want to attack the u.s., yes, absolutely. are all the refugees that are trying to leave their country dangerous people? these are people who are leaving by and large terrorism. they are leaving because they are terrified and cannot stay home. but, but -- >> less disenchanted than the refugees here? >> look, refugee populations, you can't summarize them all. 7 this is a fluid population. the vast majority, the overwhelming majority are people who are leaving violence. are there some wolves hiding among the sheep, yes. there seems to be. but there's a difference -- what the debate in the u.s. fails to understand is that it's very different in europe than it is in the u.s. so people arrive from turkey, that's the main gateway out, they go to greece, no real regulations, no controls, and then once they're in europe, there are no controls anymore in europe so they end up here or back in brussels and go under the radar. the refugees that will be take

we fought against isis when they were known as al qaeda in iraq and they were led by a jordanian abu musab al dark you aki. we fought him in iraq. when we had guys on the ground to fight him, they weren't the tough guys they are today. now because they've been emboldened, nobody is really fighting them, they think they're tougher than they are, they have this idea ol of the calipha caliphate, martyrdom -- >> that's the key the ideology. >> how did the russians get all these targets all of a sudden? how did the french get all of the targets all of a sudden? >> that's a very good question. they're saying just because of the attacks in france we hit a training camp and hit this and that. if we knew there was a training camp why aren't we hitting them? >> we weren't blowing up the oil, weren't taking out the trucks. how do you explain that? >> i can't explain that. the russians are going to take the gloves off because of the airliner that was brought down by isis. and they see it coming. and for some reason we don't see it coming. it's coming right here. it's going to be in europe now. this is