maybe that's the next abu yahya al-libi was saying. what abu yahya al-libi did that blew my mind.can't believe this guy would have done this. he's in the course of an interview in september, the 9/11 anniversary interview in 2007. and his interviewer, al-qaeda interviewer, says, you know, if the americans were going to defeat al-qaeda ideologically, they are going to degrade our movement and, you know, wage a successful war of ideas, how would they go about doing it? abu yahya says there's six easy steps and the interviewer says but are you sure you want to reveal these strategies to the united states. what if they used them against us. look, the americans are already using these in an ad hoc kind of fashion. they fund certain things in egypt and they support things and this and that. but they haven't put it all together yet. and i'm going to put it all together and i'll demonstrate i'm the best counterterrorism expert the west ever had by sticking their thumb in their eye. they haven't come up with this strategy yet but i'm going to inoculate the global movement and by identifyin

abu yahya doesn't stand on his own. and you still see, i think, that zawahiri has a prominent role is still the most important second to osama bin laden. : i think this whole notion of how he has been rolled out and how he has been presented unframed were in a camouflage jacket and same, i think initially on -- i thought that was fascinating in addition to the engineering which we have talked about before. i do want to get you to talk about the six easy steps but before questions i hope it can do that real quick. >> really quicker want to respond to things pop up when brian was talking, i thought his comments were awesome. so i think one of the biggest difference stations between the high command represented in buying al zawahiri and abu yahya al-libi is that he admits mistakes and when you said al-qaeda stands a ground and when they are honest in standing their ground and what you said about -- it sounds like propaganda and with al zawahiri and said we have been accused of killing innocent muslims and if we did that th

abu yahya said that they screwed up. he said these guys are in heaven and he admits he was not the one to say if they are not. he admits that he is wrong. the global movement, they love abu yahya. they respect and brick. the others. -- they respect and admire the others. maybe that is the role that abu yahya is going to be playing. but chris is talking about is something that abu yahya did that blew my mind. he is in the course of an interview in 2007 and his interviewer says if the americans were going to defeat allocated 80 logically, they will try to degrade the movement and wage a successful war of ideas. how would they do that? he says they could do with six easy ways. he goes through them. the interviewer says are you sure you want to reveal the strategies to the u.s.? he says that the americans are already using these in an ad hoc fashion. this support things and this and that. they have not put this together. i will put it together for them and demonstrate that i am the best counterterrorism analyst that the west

i think abu yahya communicates with those groups very well. the last thing -- and i think abu yahya is powerful, is two things. one, he's often quoted by the affiliate organization. he clears seems very important to aqim, quotes him quite a bit. they quoted him in somalia. they use him. he is clearly influential in those groups. and because of his background and the presence of the media which was closely associated with the taliban than al qaeda,

and i think abu yahya has really embraced that.in terms of who controls access to the media, i think that's a brilliant question and not something we don't have a lot of knowledge on. ksm and it's tribune said he is -- it seems to me that zawahiri probably founded it. he runs it and is the guy who sits at the head of the table in terms of identifying who, when, where to release. and so, within a rollup not with just abu yahya but you saw moustapha and the strategic rollout over a few months dramatically you can see they push them on one front and on the next video to push him on another. you saw the same ring with a abdulla stayed stayed with one of their top three sheiks montour auch omni. he's been releasing the writing of vanguards of karazahn and some of the taliban magazines. and just in december he released his first videotape. we now know what he looks like in any deadness. that al qaeda at the form of media media, the themes that are addressed in the media and the timing of the media i think it's all choreographed. and i th

you want to be the guy sitting around eating with abu yahya. this was interesting. buy making bagels. i think is most interesting, for those of you who know abu al-libi, it's obviously him. the fact that they obscured his face. they didn't know the great general had attended. they let you think that he may have been the guy. but they don't confirm it. this is something that gets replayed in the recent seed ya that was released. where you have abu yahya at the end after he gives his talk. people come up and hug him. and then you see this image. intentionally blurred. who are you left to think this might be? would obama -- osama bin laden attend? who knows, they trickle you out there and let you believe it. there's this consistency to his videos where somebody, be it him for his handlers are trying to make you think that very important people take his seriously. you should to. this is some of his writings. he talks about the issue of human shielding within islam. he says, the concept of the ability to kill another muslim because your enemy is using them as a human shi

i don't think that jarret would say abu yahya is the donner 100%. there's other folks out there and by the wish to ask the questions because one thing that made bin laden bin laden is he was effective. he got stuff done. the embassy bombing of 1998 and the american response with cruise missiles raised bin laden's stature with inside afghanistan, and pushed mullah omar to give him more influence over the foreign groups operating there. so it's true, and so the answer to your question about is our attention being paid to raising his stature i would say yes, absolutely it is. we should be careful because there's lots of some ways we could go about undermining somebody might al-loki because he's written things in the past criticized, he has been -- he was declared by abdul the faisal -- ceramica arrested for prostitution krug to the eckert -- charges. speed there's a lot of things we could be talking about al-loki and from the communications standpoint would be great for us as a nation to be talking about to undermine this guy. but we have a problem whe