at the very top, people like abu zu baydah, necessary. give up that information. general matters said, andi information. general matters said, and i have a lot of respect for the man, but he said gimme some beer and a pack of cigarettes and i could get more “— a pack of cigarettes and i could get more —— general mattis. a pack of cigarettes and i could get more -- general mattis. that is the rapport approach. but you have to ask yourself, would he give up information that would allow america to be attacked in an instant? he would not do that. the only thing standing between another catastrophic attack on some senior person is whether or not that person is willing to voluntarily give that information. you feel that because america no longer uses eits that it isa america no longer uses eits that it is a less safe place? we used law—enforcement techniques. the local maul cop has more choices for interrogation techniques. america is less safe as a result in your view? yes. notjust this, but many of the things that happened in the last eight ye