s first high-value terrorist detainee, abu zubaydah.fan says he was making good progress with abu zubaydah through traditional methods of questioning. but he was told that a cia contractor, hired for his interrogation expertise, would be taking control. soufan then watched on a closed circuit monitor as a very different approach was used. >> soufan: the plan at the time was to go in and tell abu zubaydah one question. tell him, "tell me what i want to know." and if abu zubaydah said, "what do you want to know?" or ask any questions about that, the person is to walk out. and say, "you know," and walk out. and then, they have a continuum of techniques like... you know, it started with, like, nudity. and then, you have noise and you have sleep deprivation. and it goes from one stage to another, until he decides to cooperate. >> logan: this individual, why were they put in charge? >> soufan: i don't know. supposedly, he's an expert in the field. so i ask him, "do you know anything about islamic fundamentalism?" he said, "no." "have you ever

his bedding and cleaned his wounds. >> and both steve and i developed an excellent rapport with abu zubaydah. >> smith: and according to soufan, zubaydah quickly revealed critical information, including identifying the mastermind of the 9/11 plot, khalid sheik mohammed. soufan called a supervisor. >> we did not know that khalid sheikh mohammed was a member of al qaeda. and immediately after that, i contacted my asac in new york, and he was totally shocked. he said, "but he's not a member of al qaeda, khalid sheikh mohammed." i said, "well, think again." >> smith: abu zubaydah also told soufan about an active plot which led to the arrest of an al qaeda figure named jose padilla in chicago. but the cia believed abu zubaydah knew much more, so they brought in a special contractor, a retired air force psychologist. although he has been publicly identified since, his name is still technically classified. his real name is mitchell? >> i don't... >> smith: you cannot confirm it? >> i cannot confirm or deny the individual's name in any way, shape or form. so i describe him in the book as boris. >> s

it was people like college shake mohammed, abu zubaydah, man named -- the notion that somehow the united states was wildly torturing anybody is not true. if anybody takes the time to look at the program, i think that we will come to the same conclusion which is that people out there who differ with respect to that respect but when we get into the whole area of the controversial techniques such as waterboarding, i think there is a protester out front this morning when i drove in commenting on waterboarding. three people were waterboarded. not dozens, not hundreds, three. and the one who was subjected most often do that was khalid sheikh mohammed and it produced phenomenal results for us. there are reports that the intelligence community did of the results of the program, which were declassified and at my request are now available on the internet that talk about quality of information that we got as a result of our enhanced interrogation techniques. it was applied to a handful of individuals. we were talking about only a handful of people who were indeed a part of the al qaeda organization

people like khalid sheikh mohammed, abu zubaydah,, the notion that somehow the united states was torturing anybody isn't true and anybody that takes the time to look at the program i think will come to the same conclusion obviously that people out there differed with respect to that perspective but when we get into the whole area of the controversy techniques of the waterboarding i think as the protesters out this morning when i drove and commenting on waterboarding. three people were waterboarded. notte dozens or hundreds but three of them and the one who was subjected most often to that was khalid sheikh mohammed and it produced phenomenal results for us. there are reports that the intelligence community did at the results of the program, which are declassified at my request that are now available on the internet to talk up the quality of information that we got as a result of our enhanced interrogation techniques applied to the handful of individuals. we were talking about only a handful of people who were indeed a part of the al qaeda organization and khalid sheikh mohammed was moly th