why we taped abu zubaydah was because we...s very wounded when he was captured, and we feared that he was going to die in captivity. so we wanted to show the world that we actually had nothing to do with his death, that, you know, he died on his own. >> stahl: well, that's ironic. you wanted to have a video record that he was being well treated, but in the end, they became a video record that he had been subjected to these harsh techniques. >> rodriguez: yeah, we weren't hiding anything. >> stahl: but you then ordered these tapes destroyed. >> rodriguez: correct. 92 tapes. >> stahl: 92 tapes. why did you order that they be destroyed? >> rodriguez: to protect the people who worked for me and who were at those black sites and whose faces were shown on the tape. >> stahl: protect them from what? >> rodriguez: protect them from al qaeda ever getting their hands on these tapes and using them to go after them and their families. >> stahl: he was also worried about the very survival of the c.i.a.'s dark side, the clandestine service,

says oh yeah waterboarding was a fact that he's only ever talked about khalid sheikh mohammed and abu zubaydah and nobody's ever claimed that mysterious waterboarding was effective so you know there are details that bet they might be afraid to come out but i also suspect that they're very worried that if the shiri is allowed to testify about these things publicly then it sets the precedent and college mohammad would be able to well let's say that they actually get to have their way right that missionary doesn't get size five about any of this that in the case of khalid shaikh mohammad that they'll get this guy with a plea deal and that'll be enough his testimony about of enough evidence for the judge then are there any other places that you know that but there still might be a chance or does it just become a closed book because the issue of torture has got to go by completely on address at these military commissions that are you know the where the death penalty is the issue of guantanamo bay well certainly with the military commissions i think that would you know if if if the trials of machine