abu zubaydah was water boarded 83 times.solitary confinement, he was kept awake for more than ten days. he had some things that i just can't even, can't even say on c-span done to him, but the problem is, is we are a nation of laws. we are americans, and we have to set the example for the rest of the world. added don't think torture, torturing people is way to do it. there's a lot of people come up with this ticking time bomb theory where, well, what if there's a bomb going to go off in washington, d.c., and you find out about it and just to our sysop somebody and you have him in custody? the ticking time bomb scenario is not realistic. that's something from 24. >> in the beginning when they were interrogating him and the person came dressed like, was it a saudi soldier? and then actually was happy, like some comfort and that's when he gave up the three phone numbers, right? unfortunately those people all killed but if they were getting somewhere making that connection is how they think the interrogator is referencing it, yo