this was against the device of this defense accra terry and chairman of the joint chiefs, and the president decided to go's own. way i think it's because, he was so burnt in 2009 by being the lone voice in the national security council, if you remember this, that he was the lone voice against the surge. and he was really eviscerating, in the former defense secretary and former cabinet member, to the vice president, for always being wrong on foreign policy, and he is not forgotten, that and so he was very strong, and stubborn frankly against the advice of the military, and i don't know, but the suspicion, is that the national security adviser and secretary of state did not want to argue with him about. it they know joe biden better than any of us to. but i tell you the hearing, the briefing they did from the hill today, is a disaster, on both democratic and republican, fronts tied to a leading democrat tonight, who said it was just embarrassing. for them to be presenting this case, because it is so inconsistent. >> ben take a minutes and back up the story, as andrea told, it's about the insi