he sees achilles. and achilles said, and i quote, i would rather be a pauper, a beggar on earth than be a king here. revive this african hero named memnon to go on in the world. why is that? what happened? and so that sent me to another round of research. all right. their must be something about these people that they called the blameless ethiopians. this is not just one character who is standing by himself. this is a character representing a group of people. he represents a group of people and a group of people with a certain way of life, and this is what i've found out. in the iliad and odyssey they talk about the respect of the gods. they go across the great western notions to go and sit and dined with the blameless ethiopians. everybody else in the world, including the aged greeks themselves had to get to the temple and make sacrifices to the gods in order to interact with the duties. but the ethiopians pit sit across the table with them and eat and dine with them. this was a fantastic thing. this

. >> to fi an achils' heel. >> to find that achilles' heel the organism. michael novace it's always a pleasure, thanks. >> great to be here again. >>> finally tonight, we take you to the capitalf egypt, cro, where tomorrow an every friday there is a sparling mark you can can find jst about anything, as long as y don't mindhat it may haveeen usd. it'sot qui the egyptian version of "antiquesoad show," but as johnjenzen oflobal post sows us,it may be one of e wrld's most ultimate yard sales. reporter: at first glance, theseen appear to be siftg through a pile of trash. but ts is actually amarket, the friday market inir yeb, where thousand of shopper gather every wee on a slum on the outskirtsof town of the most of the em here's are secondhand. thisan sells used applices on th dusty plot. broken toys, furniture, computer parts and ore. you canind everhing ere. lder items mayot always work but at ast they're eap. thi womanants to buy shutters for her home. sh says she com here because she can't afford to buthem new. it's alively, festive atmohere at the friday

. >> to find an achilles' heel. >> to find that achilles' heel in the organism. >> michael novacek, it's always a pleasure, thanks. >> great to be here again. >>> finally tonight, we take you to the capital of egypt, cairo, where tomorrow and every friday there is a sparling market you can can find just about anything, as long as you don't mind that it may have been used. it's not quite the egyptian version of "antiques road show," but as john jenzen of global post shows us, it may be one of the world's most ultimate yard sales. >> reporter: at first glance, these men appear to be sifting through a pile of trash. but this is actually a market, the friday market in kir yeb, where thousands of shoppers gather every week on a slum on the outskirts of town of the most of the item here's are secondhand. this man sells used appliances on this dusty plot. broken toys, furniture, computer parts and more. you can find everything here. older items may not always work but at least they're cheap. this woman wants to buy shutters for her home. she says she comes here because she can't afford to buy t

judith ccn haiti clicky sis achille's and achille's said and i quote i would rather be a beggar on earth then living in this land of suffering shades and the land of the dead. no, i stepped back and i went, why would the gods according to the tradition deem to leave the great and mighty achilles in hades and suffering in provide this african hero named memnon to go on in the world? why is that? what would happen? why was that so? and so, that is on to another round of research. the of the round of research was to find out, there must be something about these people that they called the plymouth ethiopians. this is not just one character he was just standing by himself. this is a character represents a group of people. he represents a group of people and a group of people with a certain way of life and this is what i found out. in the elliott and the odyssey they talk about the fact that the gods would leave from mount olympus and go across the western notion to sit and dined with the blameless ethiopians. everybody else in the world including the ancient greeks themselves set to go to th

. >> rob: the bullpen has and the achills heel of this franchise all year. 29 blown leads of the seasonnd that leads major league baseball. craig stammen could not hold on to the lead and then the bullpen could not hold on to the rest of the lead. bottom line, got to get the job done. a lot of moves have been made in this organization and because guys cannot get the job done. you have to throw strikes, get ahead, throw people out. >> bob: nationals a slim lead on monday night, a three-run lead last night. the bullpens, no comparison. >> two runs by the marlins and 7 runs by the nationals. i know some teams have your number but enough a enough. you have to go out there and hopefully jordan zimmerman can go six or seven and then when the bullpen gets in there, let's stop them. >> bob: he hopes that start number 13 will be enough for him.   . >> bob:  nationals base masn brought to you by southwest airlines. book your next trip at southwest.com and by pnc bank. pnc, leading the way. >>> welcome back to florida for the series finale, nats and marlins. jo

debbie salamone's achilles heel was severed in 2004.l was attacked while surfing down the coast in delray beach. >> when i put my arms down, he was coming up. >> reporter: the life long fisherman didn't always feel as charitable toward sharks as he does now. >> i did kill a couple sharks in revenge, going out and doing it revenge and stuff like that. but that was in the very beginning before i started to learn about sharks. >> reporter: what he learned was that a third of sharks species are threatened with extinction. an estimated 100 million sharks are slaughtered every year. three quarters of them just for their fins, to make shark finn soup, an asian delicacy. most shark species can reproduce fast enough to sustain the type of commercial fishing that's going on for them. >> reporter: the nine survivors want congress to close a legal loophole that some fishermen have exploited to get around the shark finning ban. >> i have a perfect sharks,. >> reporter: chuck anderson, an avid try athlete, a comes to materials with his injury and his

. >> her achilles tendon was torn. her heel, ripped apart. >> it was hanging this way and that way. >> reporter: she was lucky. many shark victims die. but instead of holding a grudge, she and others are pushing the senators to follow the house's lead and pass the shark conservation act of 2009. >> who better to speak up for sharks than those of us who have lost so much. >> reporter: the shark population around the world and along the u.s. coast is declining. >> reporter: 73 million sharks are killed a year. putting some on the brink of extinction. most are caught for their fins, considered a delicacy in asia. though this type of fishing is already banned in u.s. waters, the new legislation raises the stakes that violators are caught. it also promotes preserving a. >> a lot -- preservation. >> a lot of people might see sharks as these vicious killing machines. but we see them as a vital part of the ocean ecosystem. >> reporter: generous words from a woman who herself has come face to face with one of those killing mach

this was the thing that was the big achilles heel for a while. >> they are so big. >> ken lewis saidnd i want to get the headlines, ken lewis is in chicago and he gave a speech and he said and used the word shoot. he used a word about getting dead serious about modifying the mortgages. who knows whether he will do it or not and shows he got the message. >> it doesn't matter. better to hold on to them. the other will turn into a positive and they will stabilize and go up. the bears are in trouble. >> deadly serious. >> real trouble. i have to tell you, i think that bank of america, if you go to goldman sacks, the single best report i have seen on banking, bank of america is going to come off as herressy, overreserved. that will be good for them. no one feels that way, but ken lewis overreserved. they have a lot of good things going. goldman came up with it. morgan is not doing well. too much real estate. >> are they talking about their stock. they copied you. remember how they stole your name? morgan stanley with the call on the restaurants. >> was that the booya call? i have to say,

obama's achilles heel, the economy. top gop leaders are pointing to recent conflicting statements coming out of the white house on the stimulus, asking once again whether it was the right approach to ending the recess n recession. >> where are the jobs? we put the dogs on the money trail to find out. >> reporter: in the latest sign the economy is in the dog house, the republicans are sicking their bloodhounds on this ad which asks, where are the jobs. >> i'm john boehner. this is elie may. she hasn't found any jobs yet and neither have the people. >> reporter: it dogs the president all the way to russia where he clarified the statements by the president. >> there was a misreading of how bad an economy we inherited. >> reporter: not exactly according to the president. >> i would not say misread, we had incomplete information. >> reporter: who still believes the stimulus is the right call. >> there's nothing we would have done differently. >> reporter: but the president points to president obama's dire warnings in februar

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. >> her achilles heel was ripped apart. >> going this i wayand that way. >> she was lucky. many shark victims lose limbs or lives. instead of holding a grudge, she and other survivors are leading a crusade. they're pushing for senators to pass the shark conservation act of 2009. >> who better to speak up for sharks than those of us that lost so much? >> reporter: for millions of years, sharks have roamed the oceans. and being the predators they are, they're near the top of the food chain. but the shark population, around the world and on the u.s. coast, is declining. >> reporter: 73 million sharks are killed a year. putting some on the brink of extinction. most are caught for their pin -- fins. considered a delicacy in asia. new legislation raises the stake that violators are caught. it also promotes preservation. >> a lot of people might see sharks as these vicious killing machines. but we see them as a vital part of the ocean ecosystem. >> reporter: generous words from a woman who herself has come face to face with one of those killing machines. drew levinson, cbs news, c

. >> her achilles tendon was torn. her heel ripped apart. >> this was hanging this way.s was hanging that way. >> reporter: she was lucky. many shark attack victims lose a limb or die. but she and others are leading a crusade on capitol hill. they're pushing for u.s. senators to follow the house's lead and pass the shark conservation act of 2009. >> who better to speak up for sharks than those of us that lost so much? >> reporter: for millions of yours, sharks have roamed the oceans and being the predators that they are, they are near the top of the food chain. but the shark population around the world and along the u.s. coast is declining. >> 73 million sharks are killed a year. putting some on the brink of extinction. most are caught for their fins. considered a delicacy in asia. >> reporter: though this type of fishing is already banned in u.s. waters, the new legislation raises the stake that violators are caught. it also promotes preservation. >> a lot of people might see sharks as these vicious killing machines. but we see them as a vital part of the ocean ecosyste

. >> the achille's heel really for the industry and gm has always been their reliability. so they're going to have to turn that around going forward. >> reporter: since the government's partial takeover of gm there are a number of deals in place to lure the consumer back in like fully protected warranties and tax deductions if you purchase one of the cars that the government has partial ownership of. for all that information head to our website myfoxdc.com. in the newsroom, claudia coffey, fox 5 news. >>> it costs just three bucks but tonight a popular product is accused of causing thousands of dollars in damage. the warning you need to hear. >>> plus puppies are rescued pulled from a truck caged in deplorable conditions. >>feel like beating the battle of the bulge is breaking the bank tonight it's all in what you wear, real tips to get your workout on for less. fox 5 news at 10:00 iback in three.  ♪ ♪ who's watching? ♪ tell me who's watching. (muffled music) ♪ who's watching... (announcer) it's right here. it's easy. ♪ i aays feel like somebody's

the employment situation and the unemployment situation is the achilles' heel of the recovery forecast. i will concede that point. >> that's a tough point for me. >> hang on, everybody. stay right where you are. make sure to stay with cnbc into the next hour for a special report on all thing housing. cnbc takes you region by region. we're going to ask if it is time to buy. and with our distinguished investors, and we've got ken fisher, a great distinguished portfolio manage order his own. 25 years of writing columns for forbes. even longer than that managing "money." we'll even take a look at china. is the s china really the cat's meow? or is there a speculative bubble going on? what should we do with it? you're watching the "kudlow report." maybe we had a game changer. welcome to progressive.com. you must be looking for motorcycle insurance. you're good. thanks. so is our bike insurance. all the coverage you need at a great price. hold on, cowboy. cool. i'm not done -- for less than a dollar a month, you also get 24/7 roadside assistance. right on. yeah, vroom-vroom! sounds like you r

that is the achilles heel of this operation, because the marines can clear an area, but if they can'told it and pass it off to the afghans, then this effort is a vain effort. bret: what are commanders saying about the biggest threats the marines are facing as they fan out across the helmand province? >> the biggest threat is not the taliban. they have been pushed out of the province. they faded away. they ran away. they moved into other provinces. they often do this. they will watch and wait and look for softer targets. the biggest threat right now is the heat. it is 120 degrees. these poor guys are dropping from dehydration. the biggest logistical problem they have is getting water to the front lines. they are able to do so, but it's difficult. >> the chairman of the joint chiefs made his way to dover delaware to meet the fallen soldiers who returned home. what can you tell us about that? >> monday was the deadliest day in almost a year for u.s. soldiers. 7 soldiers died and their remains returned to dover air force base today. admiral mullen and his wife deb went to meet them as par

eight years during the bush administration, and this is one i think a lot of people -- this is an achilles' heel, this is one part of the story that they want to unravel a lot quicker. we're learning more about karl rove. tell us what this report is saying. >> that's been this quiet investigation going on on capitol hill. you might remember there was actually a big fight over executive privilege on this earlier in the year, and the obama white house basically brokered a deal between these former bush administration officials. basically karl rove and harriet miers who was one of bush's attorneys to allow the investigation to go forward and take this issue out of the courts. this is all looking into what role the white house played, and particularly political officials within the white house like karl rove, played in the dismissal of about nine or ten u.s. attorneys back at the end of 2006. >> josh, a great leader looks forward and not back. if i'm barack obama similar to the cia issue we were dealing with a couple weeks ago, don't they want to just leave it alone at this point. we have so m

time, and i don't have to remind you, that for 20, 30, 40 years, there were a couple of democratic achilleseels. one was that they were weak on loft, another when it came to national security, they were weak as well. >> carlos, stay with us. let's bring in our panel tonight. sam stein, political reporter for "the huffington post." jeff santos, radio talk show host from wwzn in boston joins untonight. jennifer rubin, weekend editor for the media. let's go to you, jeff. your right there in the backyard of all of this activity. how is the community responding tonight, if we can, to what is happening now that the president has come out and made a statement late this afternoon? what about, that jeff? >> i think people are going to be, like president obama, defuse the situation. that's what should have happened in the beginning. both mr. -- the professor, as well as mr. crowley, should have taken the situation, looked at it, defused the situation. as the "boston globe" editorial page said, basically just walk away. did you do that, you don't have the words, you don't have the confrontation, you d

if you're not healthy -- and last year achilles problems on the push-off leg -- it's tough to be as good be. he changed the windup and made same justments. >> jim h: pops it up. aybar out behind second base. and has it for the out. one down in the oriole 4th inning. another good crowd on hand on this sunday afternoon, fourth game of the series. >> jim that three-run third really energizes a guy like saunders that has a good feel for the pitching and there are the numbers through 81 game. melvin has as good a second half as anybody with 57 rbi and 48 games. so let's see if he can pull that off again. >> jim h: mora takes ball one. bounced out to a double play his first at-bat. melvin is trying to find that stroke. strike. fastball. sawners, 28 years old now. saunders, 28 years old now. a big guy, 6'3," 210. fouls it back the other way. >> jim p: that's your home run pitch. it's not he is trying to hit a home run. he is trying to hit as hard as he can in a hitter's count 2-1 and drive it right center or left center. this year, maybe not getting to the pitches he used to get to. whether you

auto achilling video of the statue of liberty being decap nated. caution, you are about to enter earth no spin zone, the factor begins right now. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- laura: hi, everyone. i'm laura ingraham reporting tonight for bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us. the president meets the pope. and that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. it was a great photo on when the president's poll numbers are dropping. 25 minute sit down pope meets hope. three days before the president's visit the vatican issued a pay pal teaching document titled charity in truth. it was a treatise on human development encompassing everything on the financial markets to abortion. and back home it took catholic democrats no time to twist its meaning in an effort to bolster mr. obama's radical proposals such as cap and trade and health care reform. here is what they are not telling you. although the pope supports protecting the environment, he specifically warns agai

, inventory cutting, but the sales side of the story, david, is going to be the weak sister, the achilles' heel, my pal doug cass and some others have made this point. where do you come out on it? >> marginally better for this reason, the retail numbers as you pointed out, have been faring generally better than expectations for the last three months. here in michigan, we know that motor vehicle sales have been coming off the nearly left-for-dead numbers of two or three months ago. all of that is the result of now nine months of the most aggressive fed easing i have seen in my lifetime and sales numbers, marginally improving are the direct result of that. >> all right, dan fitzpatrick, come to you on this. you heard david sourby on this, first of all, give me a quick response -- i want to move on -- but give me a quick response. david thinks the alcoa story is a rather constructive beginning to an earning season that could be more constructive than the pessimists think. where do you come out? >> i err on the pessimist side simply because you can't keep containing costs and expect the marke

but tell you what i think ishe achilles heel is the goldman sachs this we can. if we're looking at goldman sachs, rerd profits, bonuses, running large on wall street, wall streetis back, wall street was bailed out. wall street brght us to the brink ofatastrophe in this country, okay. wa street was bled out by american taxpayers in mafield, ohio, in moneysi, indna, where unemploymen, ife are going into 2010 and we ve double-digit unemployment in he heartland of t country and walstreet is hming, what mericans measure the economy by is unemploynt. they dn't measure it by the dow jones. it's unemoyment. d unemployment is really, i think, a killer. >> and obama made terrible mistake in promising that umployment would not go i think himaid above 9 or 10. at cleay going to go up it was clear at the me. it is pr 101 don't overpromise and de overpromise so that w one istake. the seco mistake they did was toave a simulus package wch didn't really have any effect til 2009. in their case be patit, we dn't design it, well,why not. if the recession is n, why no i have a esmat

. >> reporter: republicans are exploiting what cld turn out to be a political achilles he'll for democratsontinues to rise, we probably could have created ten times as many jobs as they have because their plan is not working at all. >> reporter: many retail chains including target reported disappointing june sales, a bad sign for the economy because consumers are spending less. viviana hurtado,abc news, washington. >> investigators west of detroit say crossing lights and gates were working properly before an accident that killed five people. an amtrak train struck the victim's car and witnesses told police they thought the car drove around the gates as the train approached. the victims were all young between 14 and 20 years old. no amtrak passengers were injured. >> president obama is warning americans to brace for a significant wine flu outbre -- flu outbreak this fall. lisa stark reports. reporter: hundreds of health officials from around the country were warned they do not have much time to get ready for a resurgence of the h1n1 swine flu this fall, the start of the traditional flu seas

that could end up being, if it doesn't start to get better, the achilles' heel of the administration. >> absolutely. i believe the obama administration deserves to be hammered and they are being hammered, by having so misjudged the economy. back in january, the president said, unless we pass this stimulus package, the economy -- unemployment rate might be as high as 9%. well, now, it's about 9.5%. he's rightly being hammered on that. it's also true that his approval ratings are softening a bit. and part of that softening has to do with the economy. when ben bernanke was saying about a month ago, that there were green chutes suggesting a recovery, the simple fact of the matter was for most working folks, there were no green chutes. so, unless we see something that turns around in the economy, significantly by the end of the year, this is going to be a major problem for the administration. and perhaps keep them from accomplishing those other big-ticket items they're trying to push through, like health care and climate change. >> that's the question, george. the vice president didn't wan

that's been one of her big achilles heels during the last election cycle. i would tell her over the course of the next 18 to 24 months is to find ways to demonstrate that she can have a seat at that international table as well. >> there you go. all right. thanks very much. dan bartlett. have a good morning. filling in for dave this morning is -- >> sean mclaughlin from kpho, or affiliate in phoenix. hi, sean. >> hi, everyone. >>> if you're heading back home from that long holiday weekend, travel trouble spots from the carolinas back in through texas along the stationary front and thunderstorms firing up. nice and dry in through the southern great lakes, central plains. showers and thunderstorms in the eastern rockies, high plains. nice and cool throughout the pacific northwest. i'm flying back to 110 >> it's actually going to be pretty hot in l.a. tomorrow for the memorial service. more on that in the next half hour. >> i was going to ask you how hot, but i'll wait till the next half hour. thanks a lot, sean. rg >>> up next, to russia with love. president o

it seems like it has become more of an achilles' heel. now, i think the party is ruined. not see how anybody could trust them. i do not trust the democrats either, that is why i am independent. i just think they should all go. guest: well, if they could all go, i think i would be on board with that for a while. if august recess the could just go permanently. you seem to be pretty cynical to awards of the washington establishment and i think it is -- towards the washington establishment and i think is justified. i think gramm's are committed by both parties. i cannot agree that we are going -- i think crimes are committed by both parties. i cannot agree that we're going down about bass. -- that fast. i think you have to work from within the establishment and within your organization to >> we were talking about polls. there's another new poll out commissioned by c-span about the supreme court. rob green of 10 polsteres. one of the questions we asked is can you name the individual chosen by president obama to serve on the supreme court? 43% said sonia sotomayor. another ques

. -- achilles tendon really helping. >> gary: one town, runner at first base huff, ball game tied atmbley saying before the game today about the fact these lefties are pitching aagainst the orioles, luke scott in particular said, look, he's not a platoon player. he's going to have to face lefties. we're going to face a lot more of them in the second half, so luke scott is going to be in there. 2-2 delivery, swung on and missed. scott wants to know is it a strike or not from tim welky, just for his own purposes. it is the third strikeout, two down. >> jim: yeah, the first since the first inning. just a cutter, town and away. slides away from him. so it starts out somewhere around the corner, and just keeps going. nice deception for the second out. >> gary: danks has struck out with a three in this ball game, 92, in 106th innings worked. he is 9th in the league in strikeouts per 9 innings. fastball will ride up high now against mora. orioles have a runner on at first here in the 5th inning, in aubrey huff. >> jim: and remember melvin second half last year, comes if hitting only .204, c

once the source of half of ge's profits, ge capital is the achiles heel, the loan loss provisioning andg from mortgages in the uk to mortgages here and aircraft management. gechlt e's aim is to shrink profits to 30%. but as it does this, investors and analysts have a lot of questions. some of which they want answered today. questions like ge capital's real estate portfolio, what are the occupy occupancy levels, what are the lease rates, is the market improving in countries where it operates. they want more on the credit cycle, what stage we're in, could it lead to higher losses in the lending portfolio. what about funding, ge met it's long term funding requirements for 2009 and it roughly halfway there for 2010. but is it really government backed programs insuring debt, with does that mean for funding costs. he want to know about regulatory reforms. proposals sent to congress might force ge to break off. what is. can the company expecting? it comes on the heels of second quarter reports, falling 49%, dropping 80%. the stock is down 50% -- over 50% from last year. it's more than doubled

it seems like it has become more of an achilles' heel. now, i think the party is ruined.t see how anybody could trust them. i do not trust the democrats either, that is why i am independent. i just think they should all go. guest: well, if they could all go, i think i would be on board with that for a while. if august recess the could just go permanently. you seem to be pretty cynical to awards of the washington establishment and i think it is -- towards the washington establishment and i think is justified. i think gramm's are committed by both parties. i cannot agree that we are going -- i think crimes are committed by both parties. i cannot agree that we're going down about bass. -- that fast. i think you have to work from within the establishment and within your organization to sponsor a change. if your an independent, of which were local independent party or whatever you want and make the change yourself, instead of just complaining. host: last tweet for our first time guest, jillian bandes. thank you for being on the washington journal for the first time. we will be

host: if you listen to sean hennessey or rush limbaugh, this becomes an achilles heel for critics. guest: it is another thing they try to beat the president with. but let's remember what the president inherited on his first day of office. he got a $1.30 trillion deficit. that is not an easy thing to hear. he still has the financial meltdown on wall street to do with. he did not want to come to office and fight for a stimulus package and use all the political capital for it. he did because he understood what it meant for the economy to prevent a meltdown. i'm not an economist myself. but as i read the historical accounts of what was going on just a few months ago there are many economists who believe we were on the verge of a global financial meltdown. he stopped that he stopped it at some political cost to himself. i'm sure their rush limbaugh and sean hannity and all those who criticize him would have been even more upset if their great fortunes would have suddenly vanished which was possible. he did not have an easy choice. it was not a very good choice. he made the choice to bri

host: if you listen to sean hennessey or rush limbaugh, this becomes an achilles heel for critics. is another thing they try to beat the president with. but let's remember what the president inherited on his first day of office. he got a $1.30 trillion deficit. that is not an easy thing to hear. he still has the financial meltdown on wall street to do with. he did not want to come to office and fight for a stimulus package and use all the political capital for it. he did because he understood what it meant for the economy to prevent a meltdown. i'm not an economist myself. but as i read the historical accounts of what was going on just a few months ago there are many economists who believe we were on the verge of a global financial meltdown. he stopped that he stopped it at some political cost to himself. i'm sure their rush limbaugh and sean hannity and all those who criticize him would have been even more upset if their great fortunes would have suddenly vanished which was possible. he did not have an easy choice. it was not a very good choice. he made the choice to bring the cou

on the front, and especially with their own moral character, it seems like it's become more of an achilles' heel. and now i think the party is ruined. i don't see how anybody could trust them. i don't trust the democrats either, so that's why i am independent. [laughter] >> caller: you know, i think they should all go. >> guest: well, maybe they could all go. i think i would be on board with that for a while. for obvious reasons i think they could go permanently. you seem to be pretty cynical towards the washington establishment. and i could justify. i think that crimes are committed by both parties, and i can't agree that we are going downhill fast. you know, and things aren't that bad. well, things are pretty bad. i think that oversampling that does a really coppers my. i think you have to work from within the establishment and within your organization to try to sponsor change. so if you're an independent, sign up with your local independent party or your local republican party, whatever you want and make the change yourself instead of just complaining. deck >> you prepared to argue befo