we don't know how bad ocean acidification is going to get. we're just starting to experience the consequences of it. what we're experiencing here in the puget sound is what other people will be experiencing not too long in the future. >> i definitely want to be able to pass on our business o onto the next generation. >> yeah, it would be fun to share that experience with the next generation, like our dads shared with us. >> and this really brings us to the next xprize challenge, right, that t we're launching right now.w. we're looking for teams to come together to develop accurate, portable, deployable sensors to tell us what the ocean ph is in various places. right now if you want to discover how acidic the ocean is, we can do that with devices that exist. in shallow, temperate waters, we can get a pretty accurate measurement. but it costs almost $40,000 a day to go and get that information. and there's no need for that anymore. surely we can deploy technologies that can be used universally in many applications, and also in this way, help to

ocean acidification impedes the development of shellfish, lobster populations are moving north while southern species like black sea bass are appearing in greater numbers off the coast of massachusetts, ocean acidification would be devastating to shellfisheries like we have in massachusetts. new bedford is the highest-grossing port in the united states and 78% of landings are scallops. in fact, a noaa report determined new bedford was the port most at risk in the nation due to ocean acidification from climate change. what tools do, dr. quinn, regional councils have to ensure we can respond to fish stocks that are moving or changing due to climate change? >> i first want to add that new bedford has been the highest grossing port for the last 15 years in a row. so very good news. i think unfortunately we do not have a switch that we can flip and lower the water temperature or decrease the ocean acidification. i think what we can do is continue to collect more and more data to try and identify trends, as you said, that tor markey, of if i recollect moving or ocean acidification impactin

we need as much research as possible in the climate change area in the ocean acidification. we've got some great programs of collaborative research with the industries involved in doing some of the research. it is important that data, data, the more data we get on this, the more data we get on other aspects that are very helpful for planning purposes. >> thank you. and dr. oliver, on the question of the legal unreported, unregulated fishery in the united states, issued the final rule in december 2016. can you give us a little bit of an update as to the implementation of the rule and what the paces for scheduled implement patient in january of 2018? [inaudible] >> or are you speaking specifically on the iu -- .. but i've always been a lot of interest in that rule and the additional requirement that it puts on our producers. i know there's been a lot of interest and other aspects of that rule such as including shrimp, for example, because so many of our imports in our trade deficit bas based on those impos is from imported farm shrimp. for a variety of reasons were not able to

we need as much research as possible in the climate change area and ocean acidification. we have got some great programs of collaborative research and cooperative research which industry is involved and fisherman are doing the research. it is important data, data, data. the more data we can get on this the more data we can get on other aspects of the act are helpful for planning purposes. >> and dr. oliver, on the question of illegal, unreported, unregulated fishing in the united states, noah issued its final rule in december of 2016. can you give us a little bit of an update as to implementation of the rule and what the pace is for scheduled implementation in january of 2018. january of 2018. >> i don't have any more to say on that. if there are more specific questions that you have, i will be glad to follow up with you. >> for the record, it would be important first understand what noah believes the state of play is come in terms of illegal fishing, seafood fraud, it does harm to our fishermen in a significant way. so if you could provide that information it would be he

acidification does have a profound impact, especially on shellfish. can you talk about your feeling of the need for more basic research? >> absolutely. possible in the climate change area, we've got some great programs of collaborative research, where industry is involved. important, data, data, data. other aspects are very helpful for planning purposes. >> dr. oliver, on the question of illegal, unreported, unregulated fishing in the united states, noaa issued its final rule in december of 2016. can you give us a little bit of an update as to the implementation of the rule and what the pace is for the schedule of implementation in january of 2018. -- january of 2018? >> i apologize if i misunderstand your question. [no audio] specifically on the -- the seafood fraud question is what i'm trying to get out. the traceability. >> the traceability. yes, sir. i'm not an expert on that. i can try to get you more information on where we are without, but that rule was meant to balance the playing field, if you will, between the imposing without, but that rule

acidification global warming boeotian answer is to use oxygen because of the warming this should sound of fighting we're starting to see the first glimmers it is getting warmer the oceans are 30 percent more acidic and the start of the industrial revolution are ready around and start because the plant and are starting to dissolve in the ocean waters and the pacific northwest they're having trouble growing oysters and the oceans are slowly losing their oxygen as well from pollution from industrial agriculture so there are things that geology can teach us that so far human's interaction with the environment has been through direct interference with hunting, overfished, destroy ed habitats but i think if we stopped the planet would recover pretty quickly but once you really start messing with the chemistry of the oceans and atmosphere when you are messing with those geological forces associated with the worst things that ever happened in the history of the planet so the good news is we're not there yet one of the excerpts published i said we're not in the mass extinction yet it was good n

. >> and ocean acidification has impact on shell fish. can you look alt the impact that ocean acidification is having on the industry? >> absolutely, we need as much research as possible in the climate change area, in the ocean acidification. we've got great programs collaborative research and so it's important that data, data, data, the more data we can get on this, more data on other aspects of this are helpful for planning purposes. >> thank you. and dr. oliver, on the question of illegal, unreported, unregulated fishing in the united states, n.o.a.a. issued its final rule in december of 2016. can you give us a little bit of an update as to implementation of the rule and what the pace is for its scheduled implementation in january of 2018. >> [inaudible] >> oh, and the seafood fraud issue i'm getting at and the heart of that and the rules you're going to put on that. >> the traceability. >> oh, the traceability in seafood. yes, sir, i'm not an expert on that, i'll be honest with you, i'll try to get more information where we are on tha

that's why ocean acidification is a problem.if we just injected tons of co2 but over a few million years it would matter because the earth system can keep up with that level. it can wash it out of the system. ocean start to acidify when you're faster than these earths systems. so in the long term all the oil and gas and coal burning will end up as limestone on the bottom of the ocean but that's on a timescale, it doesn't matter for humans. that's over 100,000 years. >> the scale of our current pcs loss is utterly dwarfed by the permian, but did you happen to talk about whether like we are tripping towards a tipping point but anyone talking about that? >> no. so as i said before we are not at the same level of extinction for species as happened in these past events. but the scariest talk i went to was thi the smithsonian paleontologist about mass extinctions unfolded same way that power grid failures do, which is that power grids, eastern seaboard is up and running and then there's, the straw that broke the camels back there's a

a middle school science lab by combining co 2 and salt water and watching the ph drop and the acidification go up i kind of hope that not only my wife but a lot of other scientists have influenced be in the way i argue this stuff because it is really deadly theory. stopping about people's opinion, our c02 is between 170-300 for as long as human beings have been on the planet. we are rolling really dangerous dice and going to places we have never been in the history of the species before and you know, now you see species like the terapod, a little ocean snail which numbered cares about except it is really important in the ocean food change and they go off the coast of washington and oregon and measure and 50% of those little sea creatures have severe shell damage and acidification of the sea play as role in that. there is real stuff going on and i couldn't be more proud to stand with nasa and noah and the union of concerned scientists and the american academy of scientists and my wife in pointing all that stuff out. >> let's talk about -- you use the term of money laundering when you talk ab

and they go off the coast of oregon and measure 53% of the sea creatures have shell damage and acidification of the sea laz an important role in that. >> there is stuff going on and i could not be more proud to stand with the american academy of science and my wife in pointing all that stuff out. >> we use the term of money laundry when you talk about things like the donor trust. why do you describe them as money laundering? >> they they can money from whomever. let's say you are exonn mobile and you want to make a big contribution to to the marshall institute. if you don't want the institute to be tagged by a member of the press as somebody who takes huge amounts of money. then you go to a place like donors trust which is setup to have exactly one purpose and that is to make money and i think it is more just where it wants it to go with the name and identity of the source scripped stripped away so the donations now just say donors trust. it is an extra layer of defeating the corporate interests from what is being done and this is their hands at work and it has a nefarious role and it severe

this co2 is being absorbed by our earth's oceans, contributing to rising water temperatures and acidification, which are catalyzing the sudden demise of coral reefs worldwide... from healthy to threatened to dying. the coral triangle of southeast asia is vanishing at an alarming rate, from the top 1/3 of australia's great barrier reef to here, on the northwest coast of bali, indonesia. van thillo: indonesia has quite a few prproblems with theirir cl reefs,, so one of the things we are doing here at menjangan, we've been educating the locals, the tourists, everybody that is coming in touch with menjangan reef on what is a reef doing for us. reefs around the world are responsible for 25% of all the fishes in the ocean, so they are critical to the health and vitality of our oceans. man: reefs are the most wonderful expression of life in the sea. they are this incredible ecosystem that we go visit, and it just blows us away all the time because they are this profusion of life that we just sort of instantly see. narrator: phil dustan is an ecologist and marine biologist who has been monitoring cor

pollution -- dumping, acidification piracy itself, fishing -- underreported, underregulated, catches of protein down 60% over the last two decades. and the oceans are warming, again we can have a debate about why that's happening. but it's a fact and again, environmentally, we face the long-term challenge because our oxygen comes from oceans respect to amazon are the lungs of the earth that's not right. the oceans are the lungs of the world that's where our oxygen comes from. rigs about now you ought to say okay admiral i'm worried. you know you took us on a ten minute voyage and i'm worried well, what do you think? and, i mean, what are the opportunities to create better securitiesome and to hans the oceans responsibly. what would this 19th century old o broken down admirable alfred mahan who wrote the naval strategy of the united states 150 years ago what would he say and what's the first thing we should do to make sure we can continue to be a sea power? now you think that next picture is going to be like an aircraft carrier coming at you, right? no. number one with thing we should

of animals to live, things that build skeleton out of calcium carbonate and we see huge ocean acidificationand huge global warming and ocean start to lose their oxygen mostly because of the warming and this should sound a little frightening because we are starting to see the first glimmers of this stuff today. it is getting warmer and the ocean has become 30% more acidic since the start of the industrial revolution. already around antarctica and southern oceans plankton that comes by our dissolving in more acidic waters and in the pacific northwest the oyster growers are having trouble growing oysters in more acidic waters in the oceans are slowly becoming and are losing their auction as well. there's a lesson that geology can teach us which is that so far human interaction with the environment to the extent that we negatively influence it has been through direct interference. we've done a lot of hunting, we have overfished, we have destroyed habitats and there's been a lot of habitat fragmentation and if we stopped the planet would recover quick quickly. once you start messing with the che

. >> dumping, acidification. piracy itself. fishing. under reported, under regulated. >> catches of protein down 60 percent over the last two decades. and the oceans are warming. again, we can have a debate about why that's happeningbut it's a fact . again, environmentally, we face a long-term challenge because our oxygen comes from the oceans. with all respect to al gore who told us many times the amazon are the lungs of the earth, that's not right. the oceans are the lungs of the world. that's where our oxygen comes from. right about now you ought to say okay admiral, i'm worried. you've got us on a 10 more minutes voyage and i'm worried. what do you think mark what are the opportunities to create better security and to harness the oceans responsibly. >> what would this 19 century old broken down admiral who wrote the naval strategy of the united states 150 years ago, what would he say about the world today. >> what's the first thing we should do. >> make sure we can continue to be ac power. >> you think the next picture is going to b

there yesterday and, of course, some of the oyster men are really having problem because of ocean acidification is also connected to all that co 2 going in the oceans but when you come back to port, do you ever get into conversations where you try to convince people about this who disagree with you? >> i've tried. you know, because i am on the show, i'm out there pretty visible. i'll have people come up to me, they'll be like, i saw all that ice on the boets, what about global warming? i'm like, it's climate change's erratic weather behavior, which your new movie points out very specifically and intensified weather behavior. >> yeah. >> so, i mean, you just got to -- i do my best to just try to say, hey, watch the weather, tell me if it's getting worse or better. >> i think that's a real good technique that you're using there. the answer to your question you put to me is something i try to come up with every single day. i find advice i got a long time ago is pretty good. seek first to understand, try to figure out where the person is coming from. if they're running an internal teleprompter with

people in the ocean industry, ocean acidification does exist. we may sometimes disagree on this committee about the causes -- costs of climate change. doing something about this is critical. i represent a huge coastline, and with sea level rising we may not see it every day, just a way they do in miami beach that we see it when people try to get a mortgage or sell their home or get insurance. these are economic issues. when you talk about uncertainty in the market base, where people live in coastal communities, these are the people i deal with everyday and they are looking at this with fear and concern and saying to me and i am saying to myself, what will i tell my grandchildren if we don't do something about it? is my first concern in the second one, and i feel it mr. kilmer, i could go on for 500 minutes and i'm confident the chair will let me do that, kind as he is straight this economic question for tourism were fishing states, natural resources states, and maybe you say one size doesn't it is all and is not the same as oklahoma. represent o