. >> so this is a question that was discussed a lot at the acip meeting, right. where earlier this week with the cdc and what we were presented with was neutralizing antibody data. this is data to say, okay, when you get vaccinated, do you have an antibody response? and then we'll see in the real world what that means. so how well does that mean in terms of reducing infection, severe disease, death? i would say the trends are likely to be what we saw over the last few waves, which is that younger people will still get sick, but they'll probably have mild symptoms and there may be some effect in terms of like reducing how long you're contagious. but those are all things to be seen. but still, the benefits do outweigh the risks of these. you know, we've had a lot of data looking into side effects from vaccines , even more serious ones as well . and they've been very, very, very minimal. so i would say yes. and you know, again, young people get the flu and not everybody gets very sick from the flu yet. we still recommend the flu shot for everybody because at a popul

and we can do all this and teach as acip earlier a very complex history.o have or moment but we also need to make sure that our school system is fully respecting the individuality of our students and parents engagement in their child's education. we have made huge progress. very pleased. the still a lot of work to do and again this is an and moment not an or moment. >> some people would say commit, of a privileged background. your went to duke university where he was the rebound champion pre-integration, and so he was famous basketball player, a graduate of duke. did you grow up in a fairly privilege and private? >> i grew up in a normal virginia or american home. as you said i was born in richmond. my mom was a nurse, and my dad was kind of a bookkeeper accounting type. when i was in seventh grade my dad lost his job. it happens in families. my mom did what so many moms do. my mom was my hero. xi grabbed by dead by his ear and grabbed him and said we're starting all over again and move down to virginia beach and that's what we started again. .. there's a

>> jon, i don't want to get ahead of the acip and their recommendation.ng is that i believe certainly those who are vulnerable, the elderly and those with underlying conditions, but i believe we should give the choice to people who are not in the high-risk groups to have the vaccine available for them because again, we have experience with this type of vaccine in billions of people. it's a safe vaccine. of course, with the mrna there's a very, very low risk particularly in young men of getting a myocarditis, but if you look at the risk of that, the risk from covid is greater than that of the vaccine and from my own personal standpoint, yeah, i would say make it available for even, but certainly recommend it for the high-risk people. >> jonathan: and we're almost out of time, but i want to ask you -- there's a new study out that suggests that masks were actually not effective, at least not in a global sense in containing the pandemic. what is your sense looking back at all of this? did masks prove to be less effective than you anticipated? >> you know, jon