mccloud ball is the acting director of the aclu at the washington legislative office. his office works with congressional offices on a non-partisan basis to ensure american civil liberties be protected. he held roles in the political community including serving on presidential campaigns. his works is an attorney afforded him the opportunity to argue significant cases on privacy and federal regulatory authority, and before this hearing, before his testimony here, he wrote the subcommittee a very thoughtful letter, which i have reread in preparation for this hearing on how to understand this problem and hopefully thousand get right and he has reviewed some draft legislation on approvement we are considering, and i very much appreciate your cooperation with us. dr. wine is a professor of psychiatry and responses to could as it trophies as the university of illinois at chicago currently serves at the principal investigator of the national institute of mental health sponsored study on add lessant refugees from siberia in the united states, authored several articles and book

mccloud ball is the acting director of the aclu at the washington legislative office. his office works with congressional offices on a non-partisan basis to ensure american civil liberties be protected. he held roles in the political community including serving on presidential campaigns. his works is an attorney afforded him the opportunity to argue significant cases on privacy and federal regulatory authority, and before this hearing, before his testimony here, he wrote the subcommittee a very thoughtful letter, which i have reread in preparation for this hearing on how to understand this problem and hopefully thousand get right and he has reviewed some draft legislation on approvement we are considering, and i very much appreciate your cooperation with us. dr. wine is a professor of psychiatry and responses to could as it trophies as the university of illinois at chicago currently serves at the principal investigator of the national institute of mental health sponsored study on add lessant refugees from siberia in the united states, authored several articles and book

or maybe working with, on the left maybe working with aclu and pulleys of people with e-mail you do a lot of different things where people, membership groups will give you membership groups so you can mine communicate with them, on behalf of your members. when you don't have money, you think about what other things we identify to do our own getting and modeling based on data you have. there is lot of data out there. i think, it is amazing candidate i'm working with in california is jewish guy and commissioner of insurance. commissioner of insurance is singularly the most boring thing could ever talk about. one of the things he did was go through and make insurance companies divest their interests of anything iranian. so we were like, okay, kept talking iran issue. what the hell does that have to do with commissioner of insurance. he explained it to us. now we've done series of targeted e-mails to people with jewish surnames or traditionally jewish surnames. we got open rate, is like 7 or 10% from data we've seen. we've had 15, 20% of people opening e-mails. small universe, targeted wa

even the aclu is being upset with that because the personnel man, operations, everything going on in gtmo will occur in thomson, illinois. governors sibelius, when she was governor of kansas, fought and won a battle with the president of the united states and subsequently appointed head of age h s over the fact that she did not want these terrorist located in leavenworth. she never feared they would escape from leavenworth, as i don't fear they would escape from thomson, but she said recently they would become a magnet to attract tourists from around the world and the area around the prison, for a huge area, it simply would not be saved. it would become an environment that would attract these international terrorists. senator lieberman. jim webb says the same thing in fact -- says the same thing. i had an extraordinary talk to my office with bill carter, in charge of detainees, and my understanding was whether left at guantanamo bay when it closes, when it moves to thomspn will go to illinois, he said it could be as many as 215 at this point. now, even if it is 100, this would be the

or maybe working with, on the left maybe working with aclu and pulleys of people with e-mail you do aot of different things where people, membership groups will give you membership groups so you can mine communicate with them, on behalf of your members. when you don't have money, you think about what other things we identify to do our own getting and modeling based on data you have. there is lot of data out there. i think, it is amazing candidate i'm working with in california is jewish guy and commissioner of insurance. commissioner of insurance is singularly the most boring thing could ever talk about. one of the things he did was go through and make insurance companies divest their interests of anything iranian. so we were like, okay, kept talking iran issue. what the hell does that have to do with commissioner of insurance. he explained it to us. now we've done series of targeted e-mails to people with jewish surnames or traditionally jewish surnames. we got open rate, is like 7 or 10% from data we've seen. we've had 15, 20% of people opening e-mails. small universe, targeted way

mccloud ball of the aclu, very. helpful to this subcommittee, "honor our values and keep us safe." of course, we must protect these freedoms but we also must prevent recruit frers cherry picking kids from our communities and sending them to become jihadists overseas. i hope our witnesses can help us separate the inspleecttual process of committing to a political agenda from the operation's process of moving from non-violence to violence, which i'm sure everyone on this hearing panel agrees is not protected. we need to be able to intervene at the right point to stop individuals in our schools, neighborhoods, religious centers and jails who are persuaded by extreme violent messaging, whether through the internet, fred or mentors to commit violent acts. before it is too late. so what are the triggers? the number of americans who are either being recruited or are self-recruiting to carry out terrorist attacks here or abroad is growing. so what are the triggers? recently numbers of young somali american was recruited in minneapolis to join a terror network in somalia. their families wer