lee gelernt, deputy director of the aclu immigrants' rights project and the attorney leading the aclu'sit over family separations. and carol anne donohoe is the managing attorney for the family reunification project at el otro lado. when we come back, that man who lived underground. we will go to portugal to speak with julia wright about how she unearthed an unpublished novel about racist police violence written by her father, the legendary african-american writer richard wright, who wrote "native son" and "black boy." ♪♪ [music break] amy: "oldman river" who had his passport taken by the u.s. government, who was blacklisted in this country, and was a friend of richard wright. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. you can watch, listen, and read transcripts using our ios and android apps. download them for free from the apple app store or google play store today. over 80 years ago, richard wright became one of the famous black writers in the united states with the publication of his novel "native son." it sold over 200,000 copies in the first

we are proud to fight alongside the aclu team. long it is going to take, we are going to achieve our mission of reuniting all the families. we are working day and night to do so as quickly as possible. that is our commitment and quite frankly our obligation. judy: i saw president biden said last week, i am quoting, we don't know yet where those kids are. we are trying like hell to figure out what happened. is it the case you don't know where these children are? sec. mayorkas: we know where some are and we don't know where others are. not only that, when we know where they are and where the parents are, remember, we as a government because of what we have inherited, because of the cruelty that precedes us, we have to convince those parents on some occasions to actually have the courage to come forward given the mistrust the prior administration has sown. we are bringing conscience back to the government. it will take time. we have wonderful partners to work alongside. we are committed to the effort. judy: will these families be all

secretarty mayorkas: senator, we are addressing the claims of the aclu, the aclu has claimed that our exercise of the c.d.c.'s title 42 authority is not supported by the law. and we are working with the aclu, actually adverse to the aclu -- senator hawley: you are working with them? secretarty mayorkas: if i may. we are adverse to the aclu -- senator hawley: you are working with them in this program is that why you canceled it? secretarty mayorkas: if i may finish, senator. we are adverse to the aclu in litigation with respect to the legal authority underpinning our exercise of the c.d.c.'s title 42 authority. senator hawley: right. but they had a role in terminating this -- you are working with them in the determination of these expulsion flights. secretarty mayorkas: senator, the decisions with respect to expulsion flights are ours because of the decisions that we have made based on the reasons that we think are necessary to execute on our mission. senator hawley: i think the fact you are working with them is interesting news. so that's also quite relevant. we'll give you this infor

the aclu intervened in this prior to the 2020 election. can you explain what happened and that case and express judicial watch's point? ms. lakin: this case was recently dismissed in march of 2021. there were allegations that the list maintenance was incomplete. this case, however, the court concluded the lawsuit was based on outdated information and data which is subject to all the problems we discussed earlier. the court concluded judicial watch based -- rejected the claim that it should lead to an inference that counties have a maintenance problem and targeting districts based on that information alone is not a problem in itself. i would add briefly that because there is this process highlighted by many members today and other witnesses, there is often a little bit of a lag before some voters that should be removed are actually removed. that in and of itself should not be a basis for forcing over aggressive purges based on information that is outdated and may wrongly disenfranchise voters. rep. scanlon: would be fair to say this group w

lee's family continued to investigate with the help of aclu and innocence project.to gain access to crucial evidence including the murder weapon and they did something that had never been done before, tested it for dna. what they found confirmed their fears. there was dna, but it belonged to someone else. and is yet an unidentified man. in a statement lee's sister simply said we're glad there is new evidence in the national dna data base and remain hopeful there will be further information uncovered in the future. we ask for privacy for our family in this difficult time. lee's family, the innocence project and the aclu turned down our request for an interview citing the on going investigation. why didn't lee's attorney get dna testing to stop his client's execution? did you ask for dna testing? >> we did with the assistance of the innocence project and it was denied. >> reporter: the judge herbert wright was among those who denied the test saying witnesses and other evidence tied lee to the murder so dna or the lack of it wasn't likely to make a difference. >> the j

and we are working with the aclu -- actually adverse to the aclu -- senator hawley: your working withf i may, senator, we are adverse to the aclu- senator hawley: but you are working with them in this program? is that why you canceled it? sec. mayorkas: if i may finish. senator, we are adverse to the aclu in litigation with respect to the legal authority underpinning our exercise of the cdc's title 42 authority. senator hawley right. but they : had a role in terminating this? you are working with them in determination of these expulsion flights? sec. mayorkas: senator, the decisions with respect to expulsion flights are ours because of the decisions that we have made based on the reasons that we think are necessary to execute on our mission. sec. mayorkas: senator hawley: well, i think the fact that you are working with them is interesting news. so that is also quite relevant. we all -- we will give you this information as a question for the record. sec. mayorkas: senator, they are suing us and we are the defendants. that is not what i -- senator hawley: i just quoting am back what yo

we are proud to fight alongside lee and the aclu team. however long it is going to take, we're going to achieve our mission of reuniting the families and we're day and night to do so as quickly as possible that is our commitment. and quite frankly, or obligation. >> i saw what president biden said last week and i'm quoting we don't know yet where those kids are. we're trying like hell to figure out what happened. is it the case thayou don't know where most of these children are? we know where somewhere, we don't know where others are, when we know where, parents are, as a government becausef what we have inherited, because of the crueltiy that precedes this, we have to convince those parents on some occasions to actually have the courage to come forward given the mistrust that the prior administration has s ow n. we are bringing con she is because to the government it will take time. we have wonderful partners to work alongside, and we are committed to t effort. >> will the parents, will the families be allowed to stay in the united state

and when the aclu subsequently received a judgment that would give us payment for the illegal arrestsnot able to receive any of that payment. i was not jeffrey miller. but it was a memoriam to him. >> lawrenc roberts, fill in the lines here from what you heard from neil. >> neil, interesting. neil's experience, not so different from many thousands of others. i should say that when the police swept through the streets on that monday and arrested thousands of people, they filled every jail cell in the city. cells that were supposed to hold two people were full of a dozen. nobody could even sit down and were kept in there for hours. many taken to the jail yard that neil described. others were taken to this football -- the overflow was taken to this football practice field and ultimately many ended up inside this arena. and many people, thousands of people, maybe most of them, were swept up while they were not violating any rules at all. so there were no real charges lodged against them, there couldn't be. and many of those folks when they were asked their names subsequently by the police

. >> with us now, alana odoms, executive director of the aclu of louisiana.ny footage to be made public. police initially told greene's family he died after his car hit a tree in a car chase. what does accountability look like in a case like this? >> accountability looks like holding law enforcement accountable by way of prosecution. and we suggest, at the aclu, of course, that every individual is entitled to due process of law. is entitled to their day in court. is entitled to a constitutional defense. but these officers. they are entitled to that. but, guess who else was entitled to that? mr. ronald greene. whether or not they perceived that he had committed a crime. he was entitled to his constitutional protections. he was entitled to counsel. he should have been able to obtain his rightful day in court. he should have had the presumption of innocence, until proven guilty but they took that away by becoming judge, jury, and executioner. >> i want to play some more sound from greene's mother speaking earlier today with nbc's priscilla thompson. take a liste

but most likely what's next is will meet with partners like the aclu and many others. the governor signs the bill. even when that happens, we're all thinking jess -- what can we do as advocates to make sure that we are educated as to what is in the bill. because we know the state of texas is not going to educate people about what the changes are. we're thinking about how we can change our programs. like sarah said, we're working with the aclu anna and that action protection program. just assist people in -- now are really thinking in terms of the poll watcher provisions, that maybe we can figure out at this point if we can maybe train or a guy poll watchers to watch out for -- election administrators to see what we can do to help them out. >> anthony guterres. sarah, we're gonna have to leave it right there. thank you both for being up so early with us this sunday morning. >> i think people really need to pay attention to that. considering it's a holiday weekend, late at night. and a lot of people are putting. attention >> the bills text just was released a left in the

the aclu is wrong on this going out of testosterone will undo a larger hard and greater lung capacitynd greater explosive power. the reason we have women sports as a separate categories we recognize inherent physical differences between men and women and it is unfair to force female athletes like madison to compete against a biological male with these advantages. >> to get involved and have a conversation, how many of your friends who are athletes agree with you but aren't willing to stick their neck out and say this isn't right? a lot? >> i would say a lot. i've been overwhelmed by the amount of support and thankful for it. it is great to have it but they agree and should be speaking out. >> a lot of young women are afraid to say anything because they are afraid of the head they will get on the other side. they want to go to med school, they are becoming very woke on this topic. >> they have the same opinion of me. >> other commentators on msnbc believe there is something else at play here. watch. >> we know they don't actually care. it is about forcing the other 2 exist in their sha

lee's family, the innocence project and the aclu turned down our interview request citing the ongoinggo get dna testing to try to stop his client's execution? did you ask for dna testing? >> we did with. the assistance of the innocence project and it was denied. >> reporter: judge herbert wright was among those who denied the test saying witnesses and other evidence tied lee to the murder so in his mind or the lack of it wasn't likely to make any difference. >> the judicial standard of review that we looked at was whether or not it was likely to and my decision was that it wasn't likely to change the verdict. >> reporter: you knew by saying that, that you were pretty much saying, the execution can go forward. >> i knew that. >> reporter: why not allow testing of something as critical as dna? lee's attorney said because that would have taken more time and time is something the state of arkansas was quickly running out of. the drug arkansas used for lethal injection was set to expire ten days after the execution date. the state openly used that fact as one of the arguments against delay

even after the excuse lee's family continued to investigate with the aclu and the innocence project. the murder weapon and did something that had nevada been done before. tested the for dna. what they found confirmed their fears. there was dna. but it belonged to someone else. as yet unidentified man. in a statement lee's sister simply said we are glad there's new evidence in the national dna database and remain hopeful further information uncovered in the future. lee's family, the innocence project and the aclu turned down the interview request citing the ongoing investigation. why didn't lee's attorney get the dna testing? did you ask for dna testing? >> we did. we asked for dna testing and with the innocence project. and it was denied. >> reporter: the judge wright among those that denied the request saying witnesses and other evidence tied lee to the murder and in his mind dna wasn't likely to make any difference. >> the judicial standard of review is whether or not it was likely to and my decision was that it wasn't likely to change the verdict. >> reporter: you knew by saying t

government lawyers kept saying it was unnecessary, and in the aclu and others argued this was a case in which people had arrest records that were completely unjustified, so that set the standard for many future cases and when arrest records can be expunged. the question became how to do it, and how to get rid of these records, which were being kept in various storage boxes at first on the police side then turned over to the lawyers who were bringing these cases, so it was not until 1987 that the final decision was made to take all of these records, all of these boxes, haul them over to the big incinerator on the river and burn them and that is what happened. host: in our last five minutes, want to focus on the major lessons from may day in 1971. you write on the aftermath that even though the war continued the protesters won and the administration lost because of the courts standing behind them. the authority of the justice system, the ability to self-correct was really striking and heartening and felt inspiring, so i was hoping the book would provide a lesson in that. can you build

we are going to be there with the aclu. the new orleans aclu.uge branch. and several celebrities. right now my mind is going. but it is so exciting. i am just so elated to have the opportunity. the fact that we are here at this platform to speak loud on the murder, the horrific murder of my son. >> yeah. i don't know how i would respond as a mom to the idea that these people could be tazed and torture your son and nothing has happened to any of them. i am going through the list of what happened. the officer that denied there was a body cam video when there was lied about it claiming your son was a threat to flee. no discipline. the officer that struck and stunned your son was recorded bragging about beating him. they intended to fire him but he died in a car crash. the officer dakota demoss who jolted your son with the stun gun faced termination in a separate incident. trooper kory york. the fact that they just got away with it. >> and the fact that this is what they do. they are so good at what they do, they have gotten away with it. for hundre

the aclu is saying -- [applause] -- that the bill would silence and criminalize floridians that want to exercise their first amendment rights to peacefully protest, governor. you're going after peaceful protesters and the aclu is very angry at you. >> it's interesting that they would say that. what we do is a couple things. local government tries to defund law enforcement, the stay of florida won't let that happen. we stand by law enforcement. we make local governments protect folks. if you have a riot, protect people. if you don't, people can sue the local government for their damage to themselves or their property. finally, if you riot, if you loot, violent in one of these assemblies, we're putting you in jail, period. [cheers & applause] >> laura: now, florida isn't the only state with anti-riot legislation. mississippi there was a similar bill signed into law. an anti riot bill was introduced in nebraska but not passed yet. texas still has a bill under consideration and so does iowa. governor, would you sign that bell? >> absolutely. in the middle of the civil unrest last year, i

in a statement, the aclu responded -- "secretive and unaccountable use of lethal force is unacceptablein a rights-respecting democracy, and this program is a cornerstone of the 'forever wars' president biden has pledged to end. he needs to do so." the department of homeland security announced four migrant families ripped apart at the u.s.-mexico border under the trump administration will be reunited this week. the families, which came from honduras and mexico, are the first to be reunited through a new task force under the biden administration. some have not seen each other since 2017. the aclu's lee gelernt said -- "we are certainly not prepared to celebrate just yet given the thousands who still need to be reunified and the more than 5500 children who were traumatized and need help. we are pressing for permanent legal status, compensation and social services. it is the least these families deserve given that our government deliberately abused them." in other immigration news, the biden administration says it's canceling construction of former president trump's u.s.-mexico border wall

. >> changes in new work were triggered by an investigation by the aclu.profit wants records of police misconduct made public which are not part of this decree. they can take les. we allow them to break laws that you and i can't break. the very least, what we should be asking for is the same level transparency that every other profession is subject to. >> the former new jersey attorney general is the independent monitor watching this implementation. he says it is the moseffective tool to reform american policing, but it takes cooperation. >> newark, new jersey has a mayor, city council that wants to change policing. a police department that wants to deliver police services fferently. that makes a difference. >> police departments across america are watching to see if they might be required to learn a new way to protect and serve. laura: before we go tonight, who knew the pandemic would lead to dj in the alps? ♪ at 3000 feet. this dj performed in the swiss alps. after a year of not being able to perform in clubs due to the pandemic. he said he had to overco

>> the aclu is in negotiations, very intense negotiations with the biden administration and we believeoing to assume that it will happen without a lot of pressure and we appreciate how much they stayed on this story and ultimately, it has to be shining a light so people don't forget it. the administration -- it is so easy to forget these little children. we are hopeful that these negotiations are happening all of the time and i remain hopeful that the biden administration will come through and we ultimately see it beyond these families, we'll just keep pushing and holding out hope. >> i know you're staying on it. julia certainly is and so are we, so let's hope that these negotiations are going somewhere, thank you, very, very much. in the global fight against the coronavirus, india's covid crisis is only worsening. the u.s. is sending more help and banning travel as people scramble to come back from india before travel restrictions take effect. u.s. citizens are exempt from those restrictions. we'll have more on that coming up. stay with us. you are watching andrea mitchell reports on

and so yeah, the family is going to march and they're being backed up by the aclu and the naacp and alld that they do their job, the job that the taxpayers pay them to do, to protect the civil rights of all citizens. >> lee merritt, appreciate you taking the time to join us today. thank you. >> thank you. >>> okay, some top republicans are finally, finally condemning the sickening comments made by congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. why did it take them five days? and will they hold her accountable? >>> and, senator rand paul is in a fight with an '80s pop singer. it sounds funny, but it's not. oh no... i thought i just ordered tacos. nope!... ramen... burgers... milk from the store, and... ...cookies? wha, me hungry! here, i'll call some friends to help us eat. yeah, that good idea. get more from your neighborhood. hey yo, grover! doordash. you could take your ulcerative colitis treatment in a different direction. talk to your doctor about xeljanz, a pill, not an injection or infusion, for adults with moderate to severe ulcerative colitis when a certain medicine did not help enough.

. >> the aclu took her case to court saying her free speech rights had been violated.he supreme court conjuring up dejavu. in the 1969 court case tinker vs. des moines independent community school district, the supreme court ruled 7-2 students do have free speech rights at school unless the speech is disruptive. but now in the age of the internet the justices are being asked to clarify whether and how schools can punish students for off campus speech. not an easy task. the school district's lawyers say tinker, the tinker precedent, should apply off campus, because off campus speech can also cause discordisruption when it comes to social media but the aclu says once schools can discipline students for off campus speech it would automatically expand the disciplinary reach of schools that the court laid out in the tinker case. justice stephen breyer cut straight to the chase wondering whether online swearing off campus should even qualify for school punishment. >> i mean, she used swear words, you know, unattractive swear words off campus. did that cause a material and su

the aclu sued over pandemic related powers denying migrants the right to apply for asylum. deal calls for 250 asylum seekers to be processed every day and continue their cases on u.s. soil. >>> also new details on another dramatic rescue involving migrants on a smuggling boat trying to reach u.s. waters. we've got video of the u.s. coast guard boat bringing 23 people back to safety. border patrol says the boat refused to stop and it became stuck near the rocks off of point loma, the same decision coastline where an overcrowded smuggling boat broke up two weeks ago killing three people. all migrants are believed to be from mexico and guatemala. >>> a follow-up and a live look at the port of oakland where a containership that caught fire last week is now being unloaded. so smoke could be seen billowing from the ship when the fire started friday innen and inroom, about 50 miles off of the monterey coast. no one was injured. over the weekend a tugboat crew bra you the it to point reyes and last night it arrived at its original destination. >>> scary moments on the baseball fiel

the aclu, is the aclu concerned that this is the same sort of dockie-cutter strategy being used to push these, quote/unquote, audits? >> it certainly seems like a sustained effort along with the voter suppression laws we're seeing pop up around the country to undermind faith in our democracy, to undermine intellectual integrity. to not certify the results of elections, talk about state legislators and choosing their presidential electors and efforts in congress to object to entire slates of states electoral college votes. i think what we are seeing with these audits, these voter suppression measures are efforts to make those kinds of undemocratic efforts in future elections more possible. >> to make them normalized, exactly, jonathan. because in arizona, it's easy to laugh at it because it's cyber ninjas and they're looking for bamboo, and it's stupid. but, at the same time, it is normalizing the idea that you don't accept the results of an election, you keep recounting until you get what you want. it's so bad that the arizona secretary of state is saying they may not allow maricopa cou

the aclu set out to try to find people who deserve these checks.f the folks who were arrested during those three days to cut checks for as much as 3200 dollars. others just got their ten dollar collateral back. but they couldn't find hundreds of these folks because they had been either been given false names or couldn't be located. >> james in, bakersfield, california, you are next. >> yes, good morning. i was ten years old at the time, and now i am a 30-year veteran. i always thought then and i still think today that the vietnam war was a noble effort against communism to contain and to defeat it, but it was not carried out very well. but the timeframe of may, i always thought from the history books as i understood it to corresponding with the communist revolution, and the may day celebrations that are carried out around the world for that. i noticed red cover of your book and i saw the one protester in the police video carrying around a red flag. so that was my main question is i thought that was why may day was chosen, that timeframe. the other

the aclu, which is helping with reunification efforts at the border, estimates another one thousand families waiting to be reunited. and sadly, they say parents of another 450 children have not been located. lots of lives hanging in the balance at the border. we will beasley keep you updated on this story. that is it for this edition of "matter of fact." i'm soledad o'brien. we'll see you next week. announcer: if you missed our top stories about the innocence project and criminal justice reform, the challenges for small businesses looking to hire workers, the debate over unemployment benefits, wages, and the future of work or a twin , spirit couple using traditional tribal dances to break barriers, just go to matteroffact.tv. listen to matter-of-fact with soledad o'brien on apple podcasts, spotify or your favorite podcast provider. watch us during the week on fyi and pluto. captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its

the aclu in southern california says that creates a healthier sports environments. >> having agenda respected and be able to accede and six cell is really powerful. >>> a mother watched as her six- year-old child was paddled by a school principal. the video, whether you are a parent or not, is very upsetting. the mother secretly filmed the spanking, showing the principal hit the child with that paddle while the school clerk hold her hand down. the mother does not speak english, says she did not give the principal permission to hit her child and she says she felt she cannot intervene and stop the beating because she is undocumented. >> i think the mom was intimidated, she did not expect this to happen. it happens very quickly and the mom said i was so astounded, i was so shocked, i was just frozen for a few moments when she was paddling my child. this is child abuse. she should be charged with a crime and suffer the consequences. >> the child allegedly broke a computer. corporal punishment in schools legal in 19 states including florida. however it is not allowed in hendrick county where the s

the aclu is even saying this is a problem. you can vote anywhere.. you can show up anywhere in your community or your state and vote. it limits on corporate speech. if you are a company there are severe limits on it. no limits on what unions can do. even the aclu has said this is wrong. i could go on. i have like three or four boards here. ballot harvesting, partisan groups can literally collect ballots from individuals without any supervision by the local election authorities. put them together and then vote them or not vote them as they see fit. this has a lot of bad stuff in it. >> bill: the point we made with cruz last hour. the filibuster still is in tact inless you destroy it. this doesn't pass the way it's set up now. even if it were you would get a major court challenge, right? states rights versus federal law decided by the u.s. supreme court. >> you would have free speech issues, voter integrity issues. you would have infringing on the rights of states. this, for example, says states can -- legislatures have no role in drawing the lines fo

as nearly 300 groups, from the aclu to zero to three, zero to three recently wrote to congress, from a to z, discrimination affects pregnant workers across all race but women of color and immigrants may be at risk. they may be part of challenging jobs, making responsible accommodations on the job even more important. and loss of wages and health insurance due to pregnancy discrimination especially challenging. i think it's important to note that this legislation is important, also, from the standpoint of hiring. we want to make sure that employers who are hiring someone know there's a level playing field should a woman be of child baring age or even already less -- with a pregnancy that this is a positive initiative for their workplace and their treating that woman with respect should not be at a disadvantage if the playing field is level. this comes at a time -- i mentioned about the pandemic -- around two million women were pushed out of the labor force. one of -- one out of four women report they're still off financially. it will take 18 months longer for the woman's employment to

who filed a lawsuit with the help of the aclu and others. by august, the court placed a preliminary injunction against the law, meaning while the lawsuit is pending, the law itself can not be enforced. hecox stresses that she's a should have opportunities to play like anyone else. >> something about trans women athletes. they feel like it's going to be some huge tall, muscular superstar. and i don't even think most of my teammates would even think of me as trans. i just look like a regular girl court of appeals will start oral arguments in the case about excluding transgender women in sports. >> zohreen, thank you. >>> continued demands for justice for andrew brown jr. the 42-year-old father of seven will be laid to rest tomorrow, killed by police serving a warrant at his home on april 21st. a aseld toef proteerking to aidapeincaio camera footage be released. so far, the family says they've only been allowed to see 20 seconds of that video. >>> still ahead on "world news tonight" this sunday, the deadly shooting inside a casino. at least thr

the aclu was writing about women's rights and reproductive justice. in loss will spend a lot of time in gender -- in law school i spent a lot of time in gender injustice. she knew that i had some experience with gender and gender equality cases. she asked me, she felt strongly that she wanted somebody who could efficiently work on a subject matter and she asked me to work on the case with her. ms. cushman: did you write a bench memo before oral argument and if so, what in -- what went into it? did you write a specific question? lisa: i did write a bench memo. as a clerk of justice ginsburg you wanted to write those bench memos quickly and singly and well -- succinctly and well. i had written a memo comparing the vmi case to the citadel case which also came to the court asking at the same time. the vmi case meant justice thomas would be recused because his son attended the school was actually the better case. the supreme court decided to take that case. i wrote a bench memo where you summarize the arguments and the precedent, you suggest questions for

aclu, justice in motion. they literally tracked down and reunite. he's one of 30 lawyers have been trying to put in front of the government since the beginning of the biden administration. bryan's case is one of the first four. these legal service providers have identified over 1,000 in si similar position as he is. it is so important to stress there is so much work yet to be done here to right the wrong of the separation policy. not just the unifications themselves. the wrap around services, mental health, even accountability and members of the administration that will help this out. i know they are working very hard on. running the task force but bryan is fortunate enough to be one of the first four during this administration to get back with his mother and family just this week. >> msnbc correspondent. what a remarkable turn. thank you for joining us. i'm looking forward to seeing the rest of this with bryan. thank you. >> our lead story tonight with that feature. the biden administration saying the firsthandful of four families where the child w

the aclu set out to find people who deserve these checks.some of the folks who were arrested during the three days got checks for as much as $3200. others got there $10 collateral back but they could not find hundreds of these folks because they had either given false names or cannot be located. host: james in bakersfield, california, you are next. caller: good morning. i was 10 years old at the time. now i am a 30 year veteran. i always thought then and i still think today at the vietnam war was a noble effort against communism to contain and to defeat it work not carried out very well. the timeframe of may, i always thought from the history books, i understood it to correspond with the communist revolution. i noticed the red cover of your book and i saw the one poster -- one protester in the police video carrying around a red flag. i thought that was why mayday was chosen. the other item i will say, you have a generation that was protesting against authority, but now on the other end of it 50 years later you have this generation who are no

amy: it will be interesting -- matt: it will be intruding at the aclu gets behind donald trump.we want to bring in a guest. turning out to the weekly segment on the economy which tackles some of the global challenges facing the global leaders, in this case the rising death toll. andy brown, thank you for being with us. and there really is the number from india is staggering and you can only imagine as we see leaders meeting that this will be on the agenda certainly a different variety. what do you think is the most important job for the world when it comes to india. andy: the most important job is to get vaccines, get therapies, take seriously the threat to the global economy. covid-19 has arrived with full few week. a demonic fury in the demonic world. it's not just india. its rampaging through all parts of the developing world. even to the most remote island in the south pacific. if you think about the art of this pandemic, it's not in china. -- if you think about the arc of this pandemic, it's not in china. everybody is saying that what happens when he gets to the developing

you are going after peaceful posters on - - protesters and the aclu was angry. >> it is interesting they would say that. the local government tries to define law enforcement we will not let that happen. we stand by law enforcement. we also make level one - - local government protect folks if you have a riot protect people if not they consider the local government for damage to themselves and their property. if you riots or lose or are violent we will put you in jail. [cheers and applause]re [c >>laura: in florida isn't the only state with antiriot legislation. inre is a similar billl nebraska but did not pass. and sodas iowa. governor reynolds would you sign the bill if it came across your desk? >> absolutely in the middle of the civil unrest last year about legislators from both parties to my office he in the senate and house we sat down and for three days we hammered out the more perfect union. it passed the house and the senate and i signed in one day. it was supported by law enforcement and civil rights organizations. you can come together and do ga c thing just enhances training and

and the aclu, writing about women's rights and reproductive justice.law school, i had spent a lot of time on gender and justice. i actually taught a class for professor rodie on women in the military. so, she knew that i had some experience with gender equality cases. so, she asked me -- she felt strongly that she wanted somebody who could efficiently work on a subject matter. so she asked me to work on the case with her. >> did you write a bench memo before oral argument? if so, what went into it? did you write a specific question for justice ginsburg to ask professor bender or ted olson? >> i did write a bench memo. as a clerk of justice ginsburg, you want to write those bench memos quickly and succinctly and well. she is a very fast justice. she works through cases quickly. i had actually written a memo on comparing the vmi case to the citadel case, which also came to the court. the vmi case, although it meant justice thomas would be recused because his son attended the school, was actually the better case so the supreme court decided to take that c