aclu aclu, he visited all prominent african-american meters and essentially said the understand the situation i know what is going on i will listen to you if it is something that should be done i will be happy to do it. he opened parker center to a lot of different people. so that was important when it came time for him to be reappointed the aclu wrote a letter to favor his appointment. he also did something very important. he encouraged innovation. not just what he thought of but that his captains in the field thought of. he told the captains in the field i want you to prevent crime. nobody in this department talks about is preventing crime just putting people or arrest as many as you can to get a reputation for that you will get promoted. but that doesn't working and bratton understood that. he told his captains to do what they thought they needed to do to get lower crime to get the of legitimacy for the offices to police in those neighborhoods and tried to start to do that. and a number of captives, a charlie back most prominently, started to do that. they came up with their own community policing pray god that is the future but he did a fantastic job so committed the policing is a big legacy of the lapd and that continues under bratton and under back gain interventionist beginning intervention academy was started almost pr

aclu has filed a lawsuit accusing three san francisco police officers of racial profiling and beating a young black man. >> we're here to seek justice for travis. >> the aclu claims that last april 23-year-old travis hall was arrested for no legitimate reason. the group said he was stopped outside of his apartment simply because he's black and was with three other black people. he said he tried to call his mother on his cell phone and then said he was yanked from the car and thrown onto the curb head first. hall says he was beaten, suffered a concussion, and was permanently scarred. >> that night the officers automatically assumed i i was doing something -- assumed i was doing something wrong because i was black. i felt helpless. i just had to take it. the officers violently beat me and forced me to stay up all night in jail. >> according to the acluhis case was dropped by prosecutors shortly after the incident. the aclu was seeking a jury trial as well as compensation from the city of san francisco. they also want all sfpd officers to wear body cameras. >>> the new york police department has openedden a internal investigation after james blake said he was tackled and handcuffed by new york police officers. it happened yesterday as blake he was leaving his hotel. police say a witness misidentified him as a suspect in a fraudulent credit card operation. he was detained for 15 minutes while officers confirmed his identity. blake says he thinks race was a factor and says it was also a face of unnecessary use by police. he's demanding an apology. >>> almost 14 years after the september 11th terror attacks, the flight 93 memorial opened to the public today. ♪ >> several of the victims' families attended the ceremony as well as pennsylvania governor tom wolf and homeland security secretary jay johnson. we have video showing construction

aclu? >> well, they're not standing in front of me but i'd be happy to. >> but you've never asked that question of the aclu, have you? >> how are you doing? >> why don't you ask that to the acluhen they represent their people? why don't you ask that of the people who represented o.j. simpson whether they were getting their money. that's irrelevant to the issue. >> no, the issue is there's a woman in prison -- >> the issue here is accommodate her conscience and religious freedom. it's very easy to do. you may not want to address that but that's the simple issue. >> mr. staver, there are allies of yours talking to reporters saying they think you're taking kim davis for a ride and raising money off her plate so i'm asking you the question. how are you doing on fund raising this week? >> anyone who asks that question does not know kim davis, kim davis has a strong conviction and conscience. she contacted us for representation, we are representing her. we're putting more money into the cost and expenses than we would ever get from this case. this has never been about fund-raising. this is about protecting someone's conscience, if you can't get that simple idea that we've got freed

aclu. let's see. legal director of aclu representing the plaintiffs in this case. this is their quote. was brought to make sure that all residents could maintain licenses and that goal has been achieved and because, as you point out, sunny, these deputy clerks have been issuing the same-sex licenses. i wonder if there's any sort of compromise or not. the deputy clerks continue to issue the same-sex marriages. she continues to fulfill her roles. i'm wondering if it's just a slight sliver of her role is actually overseeing the marriage licenses, if she opts out of that, would that be okay? >> you know, in my view it would be okay in terms of the religious accommodation that she seeks. if she doesn't want to resign from her elected position, the people have elected her but she has to fulfill that position. bottom line, brooke, i think if she chooses to not issue any marriage licenses, gay or straight and perhaps then do other parts of her job, i'm sure there are other parts of her position that she can fulfill, i think that that would be appropriate under the law. however, i caution every

aclu wants the license issued in a certain way. the aclu was saying the same principal tested dramatically last time is being tested in a more boring way now, can a lower official find ways of doing exactly what the supreme court has ordered, in this case, uniform, standard, similar marriage lie sernss for people regardless of their identity or the type of relationship they're in. >> so these licenses are being granted and they are leave, right. >> no one has said they are not. the aclud itting not under the authority of the local office. depending on the view you have of this, that may seem like a small thing to live with or what the aclu is arguing is there's no reason a couple because they happen to be gay should have some differently worded, differently described potential marriage license. the clerk has been willing o go very far to express her disagreement with what is current law. the supreme court has held these marriages must be recognized. >> all right, it's great seeing you. thanks for being with me. >> after a quick break, price gouging in the dug industry. how one pill can go from costing $13 to more than $750. you might need medicine after seeing this video. this is a rat taking takeout to a new definition. he's figuring pizza? ooh, let's see ratatouillie or something at home. there's no one road out there. no one surface... no one speed... no one way of driving on each and every road. but there is one car that can conquer them all. the mercedes-benz c-

aclu in washington. he says the city pursues the program and the city can expect a lawsuit from the aclu for violation of constitutional rights. we will have more coming up. alison: we'll see you then. thank you. the shortened workweek is shaping up to be a hot one out there. chief meteorologist doug hill in the weather center when it may break. doug: by thursday we will get a break. but we are fortunate that over the holiday weekend the high heat and humidity stayed away. but today it's back. there is enough moisture to feel as if it's 92. no threat of rain. partly to mostly sunny around the area. it's warm and humid through the evening. 90 as we speak in fredericksburg. 92 in baltimore. it feels warmer with the moisture. 97 in washington and 95 in quantico. 94 at washington-dulles. through the evening skies are mostly clear. for the nats the first pitch should be in upper 80's. 87. clear skies. sunset very soon. by the second inning the sun is down and it will stay warm and muggy throughout. a sneak peek for the next few days. tomorrow 92. shower and storm in the evening. a better chance of more widesp

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aclu filed a lawsuit that accuses three san francisco police officers of racial profiling and beating a young black man. >> we're here today to seek justice for travis. >> the arrest report that was issued --. >> the aclu claims last april he was arrested for no reason. the group says he was stopped outside san francisco apartment simply because he's black and he was with three other black people and had arabic writing on his clothing. he was beating, suffered a concussion and permanently scarred. >> that night the officers automatically assumed i was doing something wrong because i'm black. in that moment i felt helpless, i felt like there was nothing i could do. i just had to take it. the officers violently beat me and forced me to stay up all night in jail. >> the aclu is seeking a jury trial and compensation from the city of san francisco. city attorney's office declined to comment. >>> group planning protest outside the whole foods against what it calls antiblack violence in response to an incident last week where a guard was seen beating up an african-american customer at the lake merit store. witnesses say that customer got into an argument with a cashier. they say the guard slammed the customer to the ground knocking him unconscious. the protestors have a number of demands for whole foods, including suspending all managers on duty that night and compensating the man who was attacked by the security guard. whole foods already announced it has hired a new security firm and that their guards no longer carry guns. >>> los angeles police believe the father of three young boys is the one who stabbed them to death yesterday morning. they were found inside an suv parked near an lechlt reschool in the -- elementary school in the southern part of the cit

aclu and the national association of -- i don't even know if the aclu has one. but the people on this side of the civil liberties community compared to what, you know, facebook and twitter and google can accomplish. unfortunately there's a disbalance there and we should take our allies where we can find them. i do want to talk a little bit about the original question you asked which is how useful is the fourth amendment in this. and i feel really substantially more optimistic after the supreme court's decision in riley. because it was the first time the court officially recognized that there is a meaningful difference between digital data and the types of data used to just carry around with you. i've experienced this firsthand in my practice. i would be arguing these cases about can the government search your laptop at the border. the government's argument always was we can search your wallet at the border. this is simply no different and if you don't want to be searched you can leave this stuff at home. i think the supreme court in riley by recognizing the fact that people carry these devices with them wherever they go, they contain vast quantities of information that are quantitatively and qualitatively different found that that justified the application of a heightened standard. i think that is game changing. i agree also that the third-party doctrine is a major issue. riley is useful particularly to the extent the government is engaged in surveillance directly itself but given how cheap and how much surveillance technology is proliferating, private parties will gather this information. so unless there is at least some barrier on the government obtaining the data from the private parties, in the form of changing the third party doctrine, there's -- riley won't be useful, right, unless we can win that. the other thing i wanted to mention was this issue of fourth amendment remedies is huge. i was listening to the nacdl president theodore simon talk about like winning on, you know, exclusionary rule issues which has almost been unheard of, right, in my legal career, unfortunately, right? i'll tell you quickly tell you the sad story of my last aclu case which is something peter goldberg in the nacdl participated and also the centers was very helpful. we got this great decision from the third circuit court of appeals holding when you attach a gps to a car you need a warrant based on probable cause. which is an invitation for an enbank decision and then what we got was a decision not even reaching the gps attachment fourth amendment question, but just holding that regardless, right, the good faith exception to the exclusionary rule means that the police -- the evidence wasn't going to be suppressed. right? so here we are many years now after jones, and we have like very few court rulings on what seems to be a relatively and basic straightforward question which is whether you need a warrant to attach a gps device. i do think the other major question is privacy in public. the alito opinion in jones give some suggestion that the fourth amendment gives protection to at least prolonged surveillance of individuals' movements in public b

aclu has asked for a stay on further raids. the city said the case goes to the courts, they will keep doing these raids. do you think the acluill get a stay or be successful in that request? >> i don't think they will. a lot of citizens are complaining there are so many homeless people they have mental health issues and may be bothering other citizens so they're looking at a protection of the community as a whole so i don't think they will be successful. >> an economic issue for honolulu, big-time tourist city, that is a part of this. >> absolutely, thank you for joining us. >> right now we are getting a first look at previously classified presidential daily brief from the kennedy and johnson administrations in the 60s. the c i a releasing key analyses of major events from that time including documents and the cuban missile crisis, israel's six day war and vietnam. kathryn heritage live in washington with more on that. >> the cia released 2500 pages of documents known as the president's daily brief standing at eight year period in the 1960s. after decades of resistance the cia declassified briefings considered the most of fo

aclu, all these meetings were open #d to the public and announce td prior and it was disappointing that the aclu didn't send a member to the working group meetings. so, what we have-what you have before you here a lot of work from a lot of people who are dedicated to make sure this policy is the best policy we could forward at this time. i don't believe there is anyone in this room or watching onative who would nolt agree it is important for any police officer in all jurisdictions to produce the most accurate, thorough and complete report whether it be a initial incident report, a statement based on a initial report, a supplemental report or a interview a officer will provide after the most critical incident being a officer involved shooting or in custody death. part of the policy right now within the san francisco police department is that in front line investigator first responding officers are required and directed to go out and seek any video footage from any criminal act that may have occurred they are called out to or with a on view and that can be a commercial establishment in the city, city property that may have cameras or a citizen that may be taking video footage. often times the officers are caught in the footage but the preliminary investigation the officers are directed to view this footage before they submit their initial incident report. now, there is a number of issues the deputy public defender mrs. young touched on but i would like to focus on one now before i turn it over to our attorney jonathan yang. i would like to focus on iii subsection f, the viewing of the body camera recordings. mrs. young touched on a lot of that but i would like to advice the commission that there has been a long practice here in san francisco when we have an officer involved shooting or in custody death with the members, they are not required to provide a voluntary statement to the homicide investigator or there investigator from the disric attorneys but the poa aurfed to giver that statement rather than give a compelled staim. i'm sure you are aware of this and the chief is aware of this, but if our members are not allowed to view this critical footage before providing that voluntary statement to the homicide investigators, the attorneys that are representing my members will more than likely advice those members not to provide that voluntary statement. we have a very transapparent system here in san francisco, more so than a lot of agencies in the state of california ore throughout the country. our members are not forced to provide that statement during a investigation of a officer involved shooting unless they're compelled under a ia administrative investigation. but, the only-i don't recall in my 15 years being involved in the poa where a member has not provided a voluntary statement to the investigators after a officer involved shooting or in custody death. there was a incident that occurred 2 years ago where a individual from the district attorneys office was not going to allow the member to view the footage before that member gave a statement. the attorney doing what that attorney is supposed to do and protecting the members rights under peace officer bill of rights adviceed the member would not provide a voluntary statement. this ha hadn't happened and so there was back and force and then the member was allowed to view the foot squj that statement was given. i want to compare what we do here to what happens in la. in la they are direct ed not to provide a voluntary statement of any officer involved shooting or in custody eth. death. internal affairs comes enand they take over the investigation and they are the lead on a investigation and they compel a statement which cannot be used later if criminal conduct was there. i don't think we want that here in san francisco. i see our members being very cooperative, very transparent cht i don't want to see us going backward so believe it is critical that those officers on a routine report be allowed to view their own body worn camera footage as well as it footage we have in here or any other public building or commercial establishment or even citizens i phonesism in a auchser involved shooting i agree with the public defender the member should not be allowed to view it until that member has legal representation with them and viewed in the presence of the investigation that is conducted by the homicide bureau and office of citizen complaints and attorneys office and any number of investigators conducting that investigation. that is a point i wanted to point out and i believe we have shown a great deal of cooperation on these investigations because i believe our members get it right and i don't want to see us turning back the clock and turning into a agency such as lapd-they are a fine agency but believe wree more transparent here. speaking of lapd, they just rolled outd their cameras in the last 72 hours for a pilot program for 600 officers. the policy for lapd is their members shall view body worn camera footage before they write any incident report or statement or provide a interview. the policies out of san diego and san jose and oakland are similar. their members have the tonight or they shall view that footage before they write their reports. i believe that is the best policy, i believe that is the best practice and believe that should be in the draft and voted on by the commission going forward. now, mrs. young did speak to individuals who are accused of criminal activity not allowed to view footage, but i have never seen those accused of criminal activity submitting any official report under the penty of perjury. our members are helds to a higher standard andment to make sure they submit a complete thury and accurate report and have other representatives from the other peg groups. i won't speak for the peg groups but at the working group meetings we were on the same page and that is the officer for justice, asian and latin peace officer association, pride alliance and women network. i wanted to touch on section f and believe it should remain in the draft as is. i will turn it over to jonathan yang unless you have questions for me. >> can i ask about our policy. i feel what is helpful to me is if we identify the areas of disagreement and i would invite follow up letters or addendments to what we have but we are not deciding anything tonight >> do you have questions about the issues that are framed. great mind think alike so you have a opportunity- >> are there other areas within the drarft report and other sections the poa has disagreement or additional viewpoints. >> yes we do and our attorney mr. yank will address those. >> jonathan yank. i'm one of the attorneys that works there fr the poa. i represent the poa in various capacities. i have 2 points, one is procedural points and the other subsstantative. on behalf of the poa i attended all but one of the working group meetings. i viewed my role as a observer but did my best to provide insight of the poa where i thought it might be helpful. the reason i want to distinguish my involvement with the working group in the poa [inaudible] yet to occur. pursuant to california government code and city charter and administrative code the city is required to barg wn the poa over policy language where it has a impact on working conditions and want to state that process has not occurred on the poa reserves the right to bargain with the sit a over language this commission may adopt. we made this point clear throughout the process with the working group and the department command staff and represents from department of human resources acknowledged that process and that it will occur in the future. the second point is building upon what marty halren said and i will do my best not to repeat in areas because there is overlap but one of the areas where there is disagreement is whether officers should bow allowed to view their own camera footage and in one circumstances. one of the concerns people seem to express in allowing officers to view footage is somehow in viewing the footage they are motivated to report les honestly. that is a little bit of a head scratching for me when you are viewing video that will inform you what happen but more importantly i'm not aware and nobody presented evidence that will aer can. evidence suggests it will lead to more accurate and honest reporting. dan [inaudible] professor of psychology at usc offered a article in the la times. watching body camera footage should reduce dishonesty [inaudible] when the footage [inaudible] officers would feel emboldened to present their actions honestly and confidently. it is porpt to consider the detrimental consequencess of video that contained relevant to their conduct. psychologist [inaudible] likewise researchers have shown institutionalized distrust can foster cynicism [inaudible] more over, depriving officers of the right to view video before they write reports will set up for failure. [inaudible] in the end, the use of body cameras should reduce the use of forth and lessen the need and opportunity to lie about it. encouraging evidence that supports this is established and conducted with police departments in the field. those are the words of dan simon, professor of law in psychology usf in a recently published article. i would point out the aclu itself in the july 13 letter doesn't take the position that officer should be presented from viewing footage before making reports. let's not lose site of the critical importance of incident reports particularly those reports be complete and accurate 6789 . the san francisco police department is a law enforcement agency. [inaudible] jumping off point for criminal investigations for them to be as effective as possibly they need to be complete and accurate. presenting officers for viewing footage [inaudible] ultimately deprive law enforcement of a effective tool. so, all that being said, the poa is -understands the usefulness of body worn cameras and that was why the poa was involved at this stage and on to the commissions consideration and the [inaudible] >> thank you. any questions for mr. yank? thank you. >> thank you president halren and mr. yank. at this point i would like to open to any other members of the group who would like to make additional comments. >> commander mogesier i

aclu, all these meetings were open #d to the public and announce td prior and it was disappointing that the aclu didn't send a member to the working group meetings. so, what we have-what you have before you here a lot of work from a lot of people who are dedicated to make sure this policy is the best policy we could forward at this time. i don't believe there is anyone in this room or watching onative who would nolt agree it is important for any police officer in all jurisdictions to produce the most accurate, thorough and complete report whether it be a initial incident report, a statement based on a initial report, a supplemental report or a interview a officer will provide after the most critical incident being a officer involved shooting or in custody death. part of the policy right now within the san francisco police department is that in front line investigator first responding officers are required and directed to go out and seek any video footage from any criminal act that may have occurred they are called out to or with a on view and that can be a commercial establishment in the city, city property that may have cameras or a citizen that may be taking video footage. often times the officers are caught in the footage but the preliminary investigation the officers are directed to view this footage before they submit their initial incident report. now, there is a number of issues the deputy public defender mrs. young touched on but i would like to focus on one now before i turn it over to our attorney jonathan yang. i would like to focus on iii subsection f, the viewing of the body camera recordings. mrs. young touched on a lot of that but i would like to advice the commission that there has been a long practice here in san francisco when we have an officer involved shooting or in custody death with the members, they are not required to provide a voluntary statement to the homicide investigator or there investigator from the disric attorneys but the poa aurfed to giver that statement rather than give a compelled staim. i'm sure you are aware of this and the chief is aware of this, but if our members are not allowed to view this critical footage before providing that voluntary statement to the homicide investigators, the attorneys that are representing my members will more than likely advice those members not to provide that voluntary statement. we have a very transapparent system here in san francisco, more so than a lot of agencies in the state of california ore throughout the country. our members are not forced to provide that statement during a investigation of a officer involved shooting unless they're compelled under a ia administrative investigation. but, the only-i don't recall in my 15 years being involved in the poa where a member has not provided a voluntary statement to the investigators after a officer involved shooting or in custody death. there was a incident that occurred 2 years ago where a individual from the district attorneys office was not going to allow the member to view the footage before that member gave a statement. the attorney doing what that attorney is supposed to do and protecting the members rights under peace officer bill of rights adviceed the member would not provide a voluntary statement. this ha hadn't happened and so there was back and force and then the member was allowed to view the foot squj that statement was given. i want to compare what we do here to what happens in la. in la they are direct ed not to provide a voluntary statement of any officer involved shooting or in custody eth. death. internal affairs comes enand they take over the investigation and they are the lead on a investigation and they compel a statement which cannot be used later if criminal conduct was there. i don't think we want that here in san francisco. i see our members being very cooperative, very transparent cht i don't want to see us going backward so believe it is critical that those officers on a routine report be allowed to view their own body worn camera footage as well as it footage we have in here or any other public building or commercial establishment or even citizens i phonesism in a auchser involved shooting i agree with the public defender the member should not be allowed to view it until that member has legal representation with them and viewed in the presence of the investigation that is conducted by the homicide bureau and office of citizen complaints and attorneys office and any number of investigators conducting that investigation. that is a point i wanted to point out and i believe we have shown a great deal of cooperation on these investigations because i believe our members get it right and i don't want to see us turning back the clock and turning into a agency such as lapd-they are a fine agency but believe wree more transparent here. speaking of lapd, they just rolled outd their cameras in the last 72 hours for a pilot program for 600 officers. the policy for lapd is their members shall view body worn camera footage before they write any incident report or statement or provide a interview. the policies out of san diego and san jose and oakland are similar. their members have the tonight or they shall view that footage before they write their reports. i believe that is the best policy, i believe that is the best practice and believe that should be in the draft and voted on by the commission going forward. now, mrs. young did speak to individuals who are accused of criminal activity not allowed to view footage, but i have never seen those accused of criminal activity submitting any official report under the penty of perjury. our members are helds to a higher standard andment to make sure they submit a complete thury and accurate report and have other representatives from the other peg groups. i won't speak for the peg groups but at the working group meetings we were on the same page and that is the officer for justice, asian and latin peace officer association, pride alliance and women network. i wanted to touch on section f and believe it should remain in the draft as is. i will turn it over to jonathan yang unless you have questions for me. >> can i ask about our policy. i feel what is helpful to me is if we identify the areas of disagreement and i would invite follow up letters or addendments to what we have but we are not deciding anything tonight >> do you have questions about the issues that are framed. great mind think alike so you have a opportunity- >> are there other areas within the drarft report and other sections the poa has disagreement or additional viewpoints. >> yes we do and our attorney mr. yank will address those. >> jonathan yank. i'm one of the attorneys that works there fr the poa. i represent the poa in various capacities. i have 2 points, one is procedural points and the other subsstantative. on behalf of the poa i attended all but one of the working group meetings. i viewed my role as a observer but did my best to provide insight of the poa where i thought it might be helpful. the reason i want to distinguish my involvement with the working group in the poa [inaudible] yet to occur. pursuant to california government code and city charter and administrative code the city is required to barg wn the poa over policy language where it has a impact on working conditions and want to state that process has not occurred on the poa reserves the right to bargain with the sit a over language this commission may adopt. we made this point clear throughout the process with the working group and the department command staff and represents from department of human resources acknowledged that process and that it will occur in the future. the second point is building upon what marty halren said and i will do my best not to repeat in areas because there is overlap but one of the areas where there is disagreement is whether officers should bow allowed to view their own camera footage and in one circumstances. one of the concerns people seem to express in allowing officers to view footage is somehow in viewing the footage they are motivated to report les honestly. that is a little bit of a head scratching for me when you are viewing video that will inform you what happen but more importantly i'm not aware and nobody presented evidence that will aer can. evidence suggests it will lead to more accurate and honest reporting. dan [inaudible] professor of psychology at usc offered a article in the la times. watching body camera footage should reduce dishonesty [inaudible] when the footage [inaudible] officers would feel emboldened to present their actions honestly and confidently. it is porpt to consider the detrimental consequencess of video that contained relevant to their conduct. psychologist [inaudible] likewise researchers have shown institutionalized distrust can foster cynicism [inaudible] more over, depriving officers of the right to view video before they write reports will set up for failure. [inaudible] in the end, the use of body cameras should reduce the use of forth and lessen the need and opportunity to lie about it. encouraging evidence that supports this is established and conducted with police departments in the field. those are the words of dan simon, professor of law in psychology usf in a recently published article. i would point out the aclu itself in the july 13 letter doesn't take the position that officer should be presented from viewing footage before making reports. let's not lose site of the critical importance of incident reports particularly those reports be complete and accurate 6789 . the san francisco police department is a law enforcement agency. [inaudible] jumping off point for criminal investigations for them to be as effective as possibly they need to be complete and accurate. presenting officers for viewing footage [inaudible] ultimately deprive law enforcement of a effective tool. so, all that being said, the poa is -understands the usefulness of body worn cameras and that was why the poa was involved at this stage and on to the commissions consideration and the [inaudible] >> thank you. any questions for mr. yank? thank you. >> thank you president halren and mr. yank. at this point i would like to open to any other members of the group who would like to make additional comments. >> commander mogesier i