for example, our treatment model, we're using acra, which stands for adolescent community reinforcementpproach. we work with the families and any of the treatment skills-the skills that we're providing for our young people-we also do with the families, so that they've both learned the same skills, they're both using problem solving skills and communication skills. where do you get your referrals from? our ladder project is actually very specific. we get our referrals for young people from section 35. so, in massachusetts, there's a section 35 law that says that any individual can be civilly committed up to 90 days, if their alcohol or drug use is a danger to themselves or to someone else. so, they're court referrals? so, they're court-referraled. right. yep, so, we get our referrals from the treatment programs in which that they're sent to. do you find that mandated treatment is equally as effective as if the family brought in the youth? mandated treatment is important, and we're also talking about individual's level of motivation and readiness, so they may not want to be in treatment,