if you s smuggle illegal aliens acroross our border, t then we l prprosecute yoyou.f you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. and d that child may be separatd from you by law. amy: well, for more on this new policy and how it is unfolding, we go to austin, texas, where we are joined by debbie nathan, independent journalist, usually based in brownsville, texas, on the mexico border. her new report for the intercept "hidden horrors of "zero tolerance" -- mass trials and children taken from their parents." she has been on the ground reporting on what she calls zero tolerance factories. describe what you saw. >> i have been to several of these trials. i have been in brownsville, laredo, and el paso. what you see is somewhere beeen 20nd 40 something ,eople from all triple shackled not to each other but individually, their hands in handcuffs chained to the waste and their feet shackled. they clunk and clang into court. there is this clanging sound of chains. they go through these mass processes in less than an hour come usually. answer innstructed to groups o