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we're out of step with a country like finland, we're out oftep with actuay the high-perrmin nations o the worl the ing i if u want teach terms improve, you have a private conversation. you say look at the scores in your class. where can you improve? want also, these scores were so inaccurate. all of these methods-- it's called value-add assessment-- all the experts say it's not ready for prime time. they're inaccurate. they were unstable. a teacher who teaches the same subject in sixth grade and seventh grade, she's effective in sixth grade and ineffective in seventh grade? that makes no sense. >> rose: here is what i hear you saying. it's perfectly appropriate to fire teaches for they're not doing a good job, right? uh-huh. >> rose: you believe that? >> uh-huh. >> rose: not tenure, and the teachers union should not be able to protect them if they're doing a bad job. >> absolutely. >> rose: what's the metric for judging? >> i think it should be a professional basis of judgment. teachers-- we say that teaching is a profession. teaching should be judged as a profession, by professionals

has given me a different understanding of who i am, those are the people in in my experience who actuay it is not th they would havenother episode but they will be able to toll rail tolerate it a lot better when it comes. >> right. in fact this has one of the interesting testing grounds of the interaction between the two, and the usefulness of different kinds of sigh doe therapy. >> rose: are we learning that simply .. in is something you can manage but it is always with you, because there is a -- >> this is like diabetes. this is a lifelong disorder. you have to be aware of the fact you have this disorder. and andrew is a perfect example. he isvery sensitive to his mood shifts. >> rose: you feel it coming open. >> i feel it coming on but also take medication and i have been in psycho therapy for years. and i think i would say the medication, i mean the moment when i finally caved and went to see a psychopharmacology was a turnaround moment in my life, i realize in retrospect i had minor precursor depressive episodes before the first huge major depression, i said one of my symptoms was