on the veterans building in greenberg, we wanted to not disturb any historic fabric to add the ada ramp. but it did not look like a modern, contrasting ramp. it had to blend with the historic building, so it did. on third street, wheat maintained -- we maintained -- president miguel: thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners. my name is rose hilson. please support architectural heritage and hpc's stance on this legislation. thank you. president miguel: thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners. i am not an architecture. -- an architect. i am not a developer. i use tim as my expert. if he is for it, i am against it. i think we should leave this to the experts. that means san francisco heritage and the hpc commission. some of the points that i am concerned about is the outreach process. i think in san francisco, where many of the homeowners do not speak english, or may not read proficient fleet -- that is a major problem. also, that affects renters. i think the bar is a little bit too high in that regard. i know in the past there have been many important ordinances and changes with re

ramp. it is a shame the owners have to go through lawsuits, but their property was never ada and accessible. the solution would have been inside the building. i spoke to the architect. they said it would take up too much rentable space. the burden would fall on the community and property owners. i have tended to have struggled. i have a word rents considerably just to keep them around. if this -- i have a word read considerably -- lowered rents considerably. if this goes down, i will lose tenants. there are business issues. this is also an economic issue. i do not know if you would like to see some of the pictures, but i can show them. i was told there is precedent for this kind of brown. -- of ramp. i went to the zen center to look uat the ramp they have built. it takes up only half the sidewalk. i sat there for half an hour. there were two people who walked by, so it is a completely different environment than what we have. here is a picture of the property we are talking about. one of the shops in this three- unit and building, two of the storefronts have combined. that problem is solved,

the ada says a certain party of getting in the front door, but you are logical, you want your customers to access your services. be that steps, be that ramps, if the door is not wide enough, if the landing is not level enough. priority two is actually travel. once you get into your business and start speculating the wits of your files. access to all of your services. [inaudible] rearranging furniture. that is something we would call readily achievable, if you move your table out of the way to allow a person with a wheelchair access to your space. restroom facilities only come into play after you have already made the entrance accessible and you have trouble accessible. restaurants only have to be accessible if they are available to your customers and clients. and actually does not cover employee access to the restrooms. we have other priorities that come into play. [inaudible] you want that inspected to come out before you get a that letter. it is not only your obligation, but it is the right thing to do. you want to be disability accessible. you want more customers. the best way to do that is to start planning. when you are choosing, idea

the ada says a certain party of getting in the front door, but you are logical, you want your customers to access your services. be that steps, be that ramps

ada says and make life more successful for people. >> disability rights movement, the city has the overall legal obligation to manage and maintain the accessibility and right of way. with regards to the curb ramps, bounded by a groove border, 12-inch wide border. for people with low vision to get the same information. the shape of the domes, flush transition between the bolt bottom of the ramp and gutter. >> we have a beveled transition on the change in level, tape on the surfaces, temporary asphalt to fill in level changes, flush transition to temporary wood platform and ramp down into the street under the scaffoldinging. detectable ramps. they are all detectable. nothing down below or protruding that people are going to get snagged up on. smooth clean that nobody is going get caught up on. >> our no. 1 issue is what we see here, the uplifting and shreufting to concrete due too street tree roots. here is another problem we have with street trees. if i have i was a person blind, this would be an uncomfortable way to find out. >> we don't want to create hazards. >> sometimes vendors put sidewalk cafes where people push the chairs too far out. >> sometimes it can be impassable. so much foot traff