let's bring back in adam boehler, who helped negotiate the abraham accords, and also negotiated with the taliban on behalf of the trump administration. you see what these families are going through, adam, and the anxiety and the grief and the uncertainty. and then you think wow, if it's that bad being a family member of somebody taken hostage, must be hellish for the people who are actually held hostage. >> yeah, i mean, think about this, and abbey did a great job to bring it home for americans watching now. you are there, you are in your home, masked gunmen take away your children and family members and you don't know what happens to them. she said 52 days, and so we need to look as these hostages are being released right now, israel is doing this, it's not a strategic advantage, we should be very careful asking israel not to go in to southern gaza. united states has a policy not to negotiate with terrorists. why do we hold israel to a different standard? >> sandra: adam, as we look at what is happening right now before our eyes and we take in the hours and the days, there are so man

adam boehler. >> thank you, david.one for diplomacy in this nation, god bless you. joining us katie pavlich, town hall dod come, fox news contributor and hogan gidley, former white house deputy press secretary. hogan, let me start with you, when will we hear from the white house what happened up north? >> look in these times there are a lot of questions, more so than answers. people are trying to get information. they're trying to make sure when they do convey that to the american people it is accurate, it is truthful. we've seen a real problem with that coming from this white house on a whole host of topics. this one they need to get right. people are heading out for thanksgiving, heading to airports, on airplanes, trying to get across the southern border, northern border. they're trying to mobilize move throughout this country. they need facts honesty, truth. what you don't want to hear no big deal if in in fact turns out to be terrorism. the white house needs to level with us, let the american people know what is at

. >> kevin, bring in adam boehler, helped negotiate the abram accords and negotiate with the taliban on behalf of the trump administration and former ceo of the u.s. international development finance corporation. so, adam, this is a recipe with a dash of hope and a heaping amount of distrust as this hostage release is currently unfolding. we heard trey yingst and alex hogan report they have not released another list yet. so, what's likely taking place behind the scenes right now? >> i think having the qataris actively negotiating back and for the. we spent a lot of time with them with the amir and the individual that was foreign minister and is now prime minister, they are probably shuttling back and forth quite a bit. they have a really difficult task because hamas is a terrorist organization and they are trying to use leverage, but it is what has brought us to where today where we have released hostages. so, they have had some diplomatic success. >> kevin: adam, i want to ask about the deal as we understand it, hamas is to release 50 women and children, including three americans in

there was an explosion at the border in buffalo, new york between buffalo and canada, we bring in adam boehleraliban negotiator, i apologize for the change of stories, but, you know. breaking news it changes a lot of things, you had a lot of dealings in past with terrorists, dealing with terrorists, what do you know about them -- particular at it has morphed over the years with hamas and hezbollah, do you think those folks are here taking advancage of a porous border. >> i think i'm starting with is the way it makes us feel, you know it reminds me of the malaise of carter administration, we have a weak economy and a weak foreign policy, first thing we think about is terror. that is just reminds me of the carter administration dynamics you have to be fearful. >> the difference between then and now is that iran has become far more sophisticated than when carter of the president. that was just the beginning stages of the revolution, they have decades in power and built up all kinds of infrastructure particularly on international front, and dealing with supporting and financing terrorism in the wo

. >> john: the conversation with adam boehler sitting there an hour ago about the fact that among the saudis and emirates and jordanian, no love loss for hamas, they are not rallying them on, they would like to see them gone, they are troublemakers, they think they are destabilizing entity as is iran in the region, and talked the saudi deal as well, he helped negotiate the abraham accords and said if the deal to normalize relations between the saudis and israel was so class, why didn't the biden administration see something like october 7th was for seen, and they say it's about blowing up the deal because the palestinian cause would be taken off the table. >> absolutely. and going to the first point, adam's point about sort of the no love lost for hamas. no, that's the whole reason we got to the abraham accords, uae and bahrain with the permission of the saudis say we are not going to give the palestinians a veto anymore and they went forward. we were able to execute the abraham accords without a major outbreak of violence but boy were we on the lookout for it, similar to the embassy

and adam boehler brought thup yest -- brought this up yesterday, would there be a way for them to survive in exchange for exile in exchange for hostages. >> john, appreciate your question but for obvious reasons i'm not going to further expand about any strategy about how to deal with the hostage situation that obviously is making things for us right now very complex on the ground as we operate in gaza with the goal of dismantling and eliminating the hamas regime. governor's bodies and military wing but our top priority is bring back our sons and daughters. so we are seeing international pressure is working on hamas. why we call on the nations of the civilized world, back us up in this demand that hamas would release them unconditionally and equivocally. and also see the red cross examine these hostages, get some access to them. some families 240 families here in israel have no clue about the condition in which their loved ones are being held captive in gaza for 25 days. so, we want to see this happening. i can tell you that our expanded ground operation right now in gaza is working in th