he was interviewed by new york times reporter, adam goldman. all "afterwards" programs are also available as podcasts.

he was interviewed by "new york times" reporter adam goldman. all "after words" programs are also available as podcasts. >> host: hello, i'm adam goldman, reporter with "the new york times." >> guest: good to see you. >> host: thanks for being here. we know a lot about you. you've been on it october, or some may say a redemption tour and we know a fair amount about you that you were in the fbi for close to 20 years. >> 21 years. >> host: you have a bunch of different positions, you did terrorism in 2006 and a ros i ro the highest ranks to the deputy director until you were fired by attorney general jeff sessions for what they say is a lack of candor in interviews. much has been talked about in the books. i thought i would take a shot at many asking new questions. before we get into the meat of the book i guess i have a question about writing. i wonder how long did it take you to write this book and what was the process like because you are obviously a first-time author and wrote a lot of memos that this is something a little different. so, walk

he was interviewed by new york times reporter, adam goldman. all "afterwards" programs are also available as podcasts. >> hi, i'm adam goldman. i'm a reporter with the new york times. thanks for being here. we know a lot about you, you've been on tour, redemption to earth and we know a fair amount about you, you are in the fbi 20 years. >> twenty-one years. >> you had a whole bunch of different positions, he did terrorism in 2006 and rose to the highest ranks of the bureau, deputy director until you were fired by attorney general jeff sessions, for a lack of candor in interviews and report. >> correct. much has been talked about in terms of this book, you've done a lot of interviews so i thought i would take a shot at a be asking some new questions. >> sure. >> before we get into the meat of this book, i had a question about writing, i do a lot of writing, sometimes everyday. i wonder, how long did it take you to write this book? what was the process like? you're obviously a first-time author, you've written a lot of fbi interview memos but thi

he was interviewed by "new york times" reporter adam goldman. all "after words" programs are also available as podcasts. >> host: hello, i'm adam goldman, reporter with "the new york times." >> guest: good to see you. >> host: thanks for being here. we know a lot about you. you've been on it october, or some may say a redemption tour and we know a fair amount about you that you were in the fbi for close to 20 years. >> 21 years. >> host: you have a bunch of different positions,

piece of reporting in "the new york times" by your colleagues, mark ba zety, julian barnes and adam goldmans officials have been pushed to hunt for evidence to support an unsubstantiated theory. you could stop right there and say what gives, but it's about a government laboratory in wuhan that was the origin of covid. now, i've seen this kind of stuff pedalled in the right wing media and i still try to keep an eye on it but it's still stunning to read it in a triple biline piece of reporting about the intelligence community being asked to make it true because trump wants it true. >> that's exactly the point, nicolle. it's one thing to say to intelligence agencies see if this true and the agency to come back, we've tried, looked, we don't have any evidence for it, okay. it's another thing to push because you believe already in a preconceived way it must be true and therefore you're seeking out pieces of evidence that might verify your conclusions. we've seen this in the past of course as you know in recent years where it's easy to look at evidence and come to the conclusion we already have a