here in new york adam gopnik is a staff writer for the "new york" magazine.larissa you and i were together for four to five hours this morning watching this unfold. look back on it now and tell me what it was, and how you see it with just a little bit of perspective. >> well charlie, it's hard to believe that just a few hours ago, this picturesque sleepy french village was the site of such a major showdown. it all started at about 9:00 this morning when the two brothers carjacked a car from a woman who recognized their faces from the wanted posters and reported them. they allegedly came here to this village and took over a paper printing factory essentially holding at least one employee hostage. police were trying to negotiate with him, trying to reach out with them. they were not interested in having a discussion but at one point a local french television station actually called the printing company and one of the brothers answered the phone, they had a fairly lengthy conversation. he said that he was funded by anwar alaki who was killed four years ago in dr

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