. >> desperate after his injury, professional ball player adam greenberg turned to deer antler velvet at the suggestion of one of his doctors. how quickly would you feel these results after taking the pills? >> within the first couple days, i knew there was something positive going on. dr. quak called me up and said how were you playing? i said, what do you mean? he said, you don't have a rotator cuff. it's basically nonexistent. >> intrigued by adam's story, his orthopedic surgeon dr. patrick quak decided to start testing this on his own. the first thing he wanted to try and confirm, safety. >> the first 100 we tracked them fairly closely, you know, with, you know, questionnaires, phone calls, to really make sure if there's adverse effects that can come from taking the product. >> so the 100 patients or so you've followed, you haven't seen any harm from this? >> correct. >> what about benefits? >> increased energy, decreased joint pain and muscle ache and increased recovery. >> the immediate reaction is suspicious, a little dubious about this sort of thing because it sounds too good

adam goldman. he has done extensive investigative reporting on cia secret prisons. on skype, karen greenberg, director of the center on national security and sebastian gork a, military affairs fellow at the foundation for the defense of democracies. welcome, everyone, to the show. adam, 10 years since everybody at abu ghraib was exposed. i remember at the time, there was public outrage. there was this incredibly high visibility in the media, in congress, and i think there was a sense of the american public that when it gets this much attention, obviously something is going to shift. has anything shifted significantly? >> i can tell you what hasn't shifted. we are still talking about quote, unquote torture. we are talking about what the american government did to these individuals in abu ghraib and more recently, what the cia did as part of this program to detainees and black sites, you know, across eastern europe and in thailand. and it seems that the government, the u.s. government, just can't escape its past. >> karen, by not escaping its past, does it continue it's former actions? >> well

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