scandal is representative adam kinsinger served in iraq. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> your sense of where this v.a. scandal is and where it's going and what is your reaction to the announcement just made offer the weekend that veterans who can't get care can seek it from non-v.a. facilities. >> well, you know, look, everything i hear from this administration, from politicians talking about it, i'm acutely aware that i'm also a politics talking about indepth studies, see what results are, we need to figure out what is going on here. look at this, look at that. meanwhile while we're waiting for the results of studies you have veterans waiting for care from the veterans administration general shinseki has been there for six years, has not been able to get his grip on this. the press conference sounded like he talked about in 2007 it is time for a shake up and for some real issues. in terms of what was done this weekend what was announced in terms of veterans being able to go to private doctors and hospitals i think it's g

. >> i've heard this from republican adam kinsinger as well and a vet.and if that bears out in this investigation, will there be criminal liability for anybody? >> think i think absolutely there will be. i think the administration has to make a destination between punishing the miskree ants who are responsible for the delays and for the lies, the cover yups, the destruction of evidence about it. but on the other hand, simply helping the vets who have been waiting forever, and they say we -- you know, we have to -- the president says we have to get the results of the investigation. yes, for the punishing of the miscreants but for not helping the people who need help. there's no question that there have been vets who have been waiting 15 or 30 days, or months without treatment. so you should be acting on that immediately. i'm simply stunned that they have taken this much time to do anything active about the people who are still on the waiting list. it turns out that the va has had the authority to issue the vouchers or whatever the system is to allow a vet

the best selling book and the pbs series about veterans coming back which is airing now, and adam kinsingerepublican congressman from illinois is an iraq veteran. still serves in the air national guard. welcome to all of you. questions about whether shinseki should resign is kind of the political context. congressman, let me ask you, how did we get to this moment? so many veterans in the system not being served well enough. >> well, i think that's the big question. i mean, when i got elected, i got elected in 2010, the issue of va backlog was on the front burner, people were talking about it. there was talk a year ago of should we ask for shinseki's resignation. i don't jump on the resignation bandwagon but this was gone from incompetence to something criminal. >> people who have been told to wait, we'll get to you, we'll get to you and they're hiding that. >> yeah, and this is absolutely the wrong thing. i think it's time for shinseki to resign. he's a great american but somebody there who knows how to fix the problem. >> jim, you have been could covering government for a long time, from t