that intervie for some reason, but that announcement is pretty strange because several days ago, adam kinzererd told us the committee had already spoken to ray epps. he had ray epps as you and than him for his cooperation. what is going on here? clearly they were lying about ray epps, no question about tha but what exactly are they hiding . no one in the committee has expanded he was in communicatio with any u.s. government agents. why won't they just tell us that ? don't we have a right to know? he joins us tonight. joe, thank you so much for coming on. this ray epps question, we're not alleging anything other tha they are clearly lying because that's transparently obvious. why can't we get an answer to this simple question. what was his relationship with the u.s. government before january 6? why was that so hard. >> they're is clearly something they are concealing and hiding because if they their narrative was true, if ray epps was this man that adam kinzer said was trying to help out the january committee and provide more details they would've provided that transcript if they had nothing