and i think adam kinzinger was right.n the middle of it. but ten, 20 years from now we're going to look back on this insurrection, it's going to be like a gettysburg event. and as cornell said given historical trends and fundamentals of the economy, crime and the border, obviously republicans should have and everybody predicted there would be a huge tide but there wasn't. and also it was just the extremism. look at kari lake in arizona. it's a good example. you can't find a better candidate than that, but voters said message and the truth still matters. >> yeah. i mean, cornell, i'm still processing everything adam kinzinger said, and he was incredibly forthcoming, but i believe he just said someone at the secret service is lying to us, and we're not going to let that go. it sounds like the active parts of the congressional investigation are still very much active even though they're no longer public facing. the sort of the bricks are still falling from their probe about the insurrection. >> right. it's we're not out of t

that is from an op-ed written by congressman adam kinzinger, one of the key members of the january 6th the opportunity and privilege of speaking with congressman kinzinger about donald trump, trump's cronies in congress, and the red wave that failed to materialize in these midterms. >> tell me what you make of the results on tuesday and if you have any, you know, i know you don't look back very much, but do you wish you'd stayed in the ring. was this election result different than what you thought it might have been when you decided to retire? >> let me first off say, the wishing side of things, i want to be very clear, i got drawn out of my district by democrats in illinois. they drew me out. that said, i'm not sure i was going to run again anyway. i have been in congress for 12 years, and that's a long time and i really am passionate about focusing on this fight broader, more nationwide because when you're in the house, you're just dealing with every day the messaging votes and all of this kind of stuff. now, in terms of the results, though, it was fantastic. we all expected, i mean,

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and i'm -- i asked adam kinzinger about that. >> i want to turn to some of the committee, you guys gotd into the violence. you revealed and i called it, three towers. witness, after witness, after witness that testified to his knowledge, he'd been defeated on election. i -- that testify to his knowledge that the fake electors plot was illegal. witness, after witness, after witness that testified the pacific knowledge of the insurrection as being armed, being dangerous. and his wanting to be. there what should the oj do with all that evidence? >> from a committee personally difficulty we always had as we have a limited time that we could probably investigate this for two more years. and it's like, what's the state of what the committee does. i think, my personal opinion, going into the hearing i was nervous. are people gonna listen, do they care, we blew away our own expectations. i think we've told a story, which is donald trump is responsible, not just for the day of january six, that's a minor point, but all the stuff leading up to, it and the fact that nothing's changed since. he si

. >>> and we'll be joined by a member of the january 6th select committee congressman adam kinzinger. willie? >> let's begin with new details on the assault on house speaker nancy pelosi's 82-year-old husband at the couple's san francisco home. the suspect scheduled to be appearing in court later today. david depape is being charged with a number of felonies including attempted murder as well as federal crimes that include the attempted kidnapping of a federal official. miguel almaguer has the latest from san francisco. >> reporter: according to a new federal complaint, the man accused of attacking paul pelosi with a hammer told police he wanted to hold house speaker nancy pelosi hostage and break her kneecaps if she didn't tell the truth. his alleged intent, to have nancy pelosi wheeled into congress to show other members of congress there were consequences to actions. >> this wasn't politically motivated. >> reporter: according to the federal complaint, officers found white rope, a roll of tape, another hammer, rubber and cloth gloves, and a journal in david depape's backpack. zip t

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i had the opportunity and privilege speaking with adam kinzinger about speaking with president trumpred wave that failed to materialize in the mid terms. tell me what you make of the results on tuesday and if you have any -- you know, i know you don't look back very much, but do you wish you had stayed in the ring? was this election result different than what you thought it might have been when you decided to retire? >> let me say first the wishing side of things. i want to be very clear. i got drawn out of my district by democrats in illinois. they drew me out. now that said, i'm not sure i was going to run again anywoman. i've been in congress for 12 years, and that's a long time, and i'm really passionate about focusing on this fight broader more nationwide because when you're in the house you're dealing, you know, every day the -- the messaging votes and all this kind of stuff. now in terms of the results though, it was fantastic. i mine -- we all expected or i -- that this was going to be a red wave on anything like that, the january 6th issue kind of popped the bubble and i thi

there could be some back and forth, adam kinzinger sees the writing on the wall. committee will disband. where does that leave the work now? do they have a good sense of there is a point at which you draw a line and say let's put down the investigative work? >> reporter: there has to be, whether they want it to be the case or not. this is now the scenario that we talked about theoretically but now are squarely in the reality, which is democrats have lost the gavel. when they come back in january, this committee will not be renewed. that means that their work is over. and so we still are anticipating that in december, there will be that final report, we will likely see them put it out with some kind of hearing, around it. that is all we're looking ahead to but the pence stuff is critically important because they say they were engaging in good faith with the former vice president and now he says he is closing the door on talking to them, even as he talks to everyone else in the media environment about his new book. >> without a doubt. ali vitali, thank you very much

do you think liz cheney and adam kinzinger could ever prevail or reemerge in their party? what do you see on the political horizon for our country? >> i think it is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets any better. i mean, i think that it will take something dramatic to where it touches all americans' lives. i mean, we've seen some of that with the deterioration of individual rights in this country. but i'm still wondering where the outrage is from a lot of members including members of the democratic party. you know, president biden has been incredibly disappointing to me in that he only had a handful of speeches where he addressed the maga republicans as he refers to them until after he had accomplished his legislative, you know, agenda and felt like he didn't need republicans anymore. and so then he went out and attacked. and then in addition to that, we saw democrats prop up some of the fringe election-denying candidates and oust good republicans like peter meyer who happens to be a friend of mine. i mean, that is -- you know, i don't know when these people are

>> liz cheney and adam kinzinger on the committees.cutive privilege. he does not have to comply with this and he did green light his chief of staff to cooperate extensively with the committee. >> and his legal counsel. >> my position knowing pence world very well is there is not a lot more you would get from mike pence that you didn't get through that -- those two just in how he operates. i disagree with the assessment it was partisan in nature and i think that the committee went overboard trying to actually work with republicans on the committee but i don't think we ever expected his testimony. >> it's a false choice. he didn't need to be summoned. he could have walked into the committee any time and voluntarily given his testimony or spoken to them in a way that wouldn't violate whatever accept r -- separation of power he thinks exists there. what's the goal? what's the goal? is the goal to find out what happened? is the goal to tell the american people what happened on january 6th? if that's mike pence's goal, he could do that. he c

take a listen to what january 6th committee member adam kinzinger had to say on "morning joe" earlier today. >> i think the thing we miss talking about that is why is donald trump still even a thing? it's primarily two people. it's kevin mccarthy going to mar-a-lago, which is ironic because i think kevin mccarthy will be the one that donald trump throws under the bus to try to blame for this election outcome, because you know donald trump will not take the blame. and the other one, though i like the guy, is mitch mcconnell, who had a chance in the impeachment, when ten of us in the house voted to impeach and i think seven of his senate colleagues and he stood up and voted no on conviction. he had a chance to put donald trump away. so, in reality, yeah, trump's a drag on the ticket, but we can go back two years and figure out how we even got to this position in the first place. >> the gop paying a hefty price for their fealty to donald trump is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. axios alexei mackanin is here, at the table, former republican congressma

and you know we have seen adam kinzinger speak out. a few other of the more moderate members, more responsible members, who are condemning this. i think mitch mcconnell condemned the violence pretty quickly. you know, this is an 82-year-old man with his head fractured -- >> sorry to, you know -- mitch mcconnell has also been somebody whose home i believe was vanzal vanzal -- vandalized. he understands what can happen when this comes to your doorstep. or you hope he does. >> yeah. we've heard a few strong condemnation of the violence and taking it seriously. unfortunately far louder voices like we just saw where kari lake is, the whole room is laughing about this. i mean, this is a senior citizen still in the icu with a head fracture. i mean i don't know what to say about that. >> and nancy pelosi in her statement, maybe you have the exact wording, but in her statement said he has a long process of recovery ahead of him. it wasn't even just -- i mean "just." he had, of course, damage and a fractured skull but other injury as well. >> ye

adam kinzinger, who will not be here because he is leaving the hospital one of the two republicans tojanuary 6th 20 says even if kevin mccarthy is speaker, he will be weak. >> he has cut so many dealings with bad people to get to this position that i think he's not going to be a leader at all. i think you will be completely hostage to the extreme wings of the republican party. i frankly don't think he's going to last very long. >> we will see if he gets there. to the point about cutting deals, adam kinzinger may use the language he uses but it is true you have marjorie taylor greene from the state you, the most already saying that she wants to have hearings on nancy pelosi's treatment of the people who stormed the capitol on january 6th. >> marjorie taylor greene has made it clear that she expects to be sent to the oversight committee, particularly if kevin mccarthy becomes speaker. i think that is the question. yes, good the conservative wing blowup the speakership nomination process. but, if they come along and kevin mccarthy is able to become speaker, that raises a lot of questions

adam kinzinger retired -- he was affected by redistricting in addition to some of the politics of this. but i do think that's going to be one of the central questions i'll be looking for. not out of the realm of possibility that sununu coasts to re-election and some of these races where the candidates are so important, in senate races in particular they've become characters in ways that overtake in some cases the national narrative. not the case in the house of representatives where it does seem like the national mood and its shift here late in the game toward republicans is likely to amount to a sweep. >> don't forget, chris sununu, you might call it taking one for the team hasn't always felt this way and was daying don bolduc wasn't a serious candidate. you have this weird triangulation. you have sununu keeping the hell away from the former president and was trying to keep away from don bolduc but now this triangle effect, trump supporting bolduc and he wants republicans to have an advantage in the senate. >> it's hard to intellectually draw a straight line about the republican argum

>> i think you have to listen to somebody like adam kinzinger and take him seriously.us. i mean, we look at what's happening this week with paul pelosi and you see violent acts. this isn't just rhetoric that people aren't acting on. this is rhetoric that affects the mind. when you have misinformation and no shared realities, you have people taking violent action based on shoddy info. you also have a bunch of adults in the room who are acting like children, and that's a recipe for disaster. even though we can laugh at the hypocrisies out there, i -- ramifications of them, and i -- peddling misinformation because oftentimes, it travels fast with impacts. >> the elon musk thing i think proves that. you probably interact series of interviews when you go out we'll hear a lot of the conspiracy theory that he tweeted out reflected back at you. >> it's all they need. , something like that should have a reckoning. does this kind of language create a violent atmosphere. when i will engage somebody on that question, instead of looking and having the incomparable conversation, the

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the sound bitd that we're looking for with adam kinzinger, we talked about making a criminal referralth. and it was actually schiff, and schiff said we're in the midst of making a conclusion about that right now. should we make a referral, what kind of referral should we make? so i didn't really get much from that, quite frankly. what is your expectation about what might happen in terms of, a referral, and is it even necessary? >> you know, there's a lot of different sorts of equities to balance here, katy, and it's hard for me to not look at it with my prosecutor hat on, because what you don't want is to get a referral from congress that hyper-politicizes this already highly-politicized investigation. d.o.j. folks would probably prefer to not see a referral. they can look at the evidence just like congress can. and draw their own investigative conclusions. but you know, congress and particularly this sub committee has done an enormous amount of work to put this issue front and center for many americans who before the committee commenced its hearings frankly were not this focused on j

now is the time to double down. >> republican congressman adam kinzinger of illinois. congressman, thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. >>> still ahead on "morning joe," cnbc's andrew ross sorkin joins us to break down that inflation report just released. things headed in the right direction for now. also ahead, president biden spoke last night with house minority leader kevin mccarthy. we'll ask the president's deputy chief of staff, jen o'malley dillon, about the details of that conversation when she joins us live if the white house. "morning joe" will be right back. ubrelvy helps u fight migraine attacks. u rise to the challenge. u won't clock out. so u bring ubrelvy. it can quickly stop migraine in its tracks within 2 hours... ...without worrying if it's too late or where you are. unlike older medicines, ubrelvy is a pill that directly blocks a protein believed to be a cause of migraine. do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. most common side effects were nausea and tiredness. migraine pain relief starts with u. learn how abbvie could help you save. ask

in this case kevin mccarthy chose not to put up his own members, you do have two republicans adam kinzingerey were appointed by the democratic speaker. and the fact that you have democrats, largely democrats, wanting to make the point to the "washington post" that there is too much of a focus on donald trump is like where are we in the world? but it is because there clearly is a larger goal among a lot of these lawyers who were hired to make sure that a lot of the boxes are checked and one of the questions that really wasn't explored at all in the public hearings is why there were intelligence failures, why there were law enforcement failures, why they didn't have the national guard there. those are really important unanswered questions and that's why a lot of staff members clearly want to get that into the report. adds a.m. schiff said he wants to get that into the report. >> and for the history of this committee, which is what a lot of the staffers and the lawyers and others, you know, have been working on for more than a year is to be a lesson going forward. they believe that, you know,

as republican adam kinzinger told our nicolle wallace last night, mccarthy will essentially be held hostage by his colleagues. >> he is going to be completely hostage. so first off, marjorie taylor green recently said she is all in with kevin mccarthy. listen, she doesn't say something unless she has been promised something. matt gaetz is against marjorie taylor green because he wants to be more famous than her. any one of those people, a couple two or three can deny the 218 votes he needs so he will be walking around cutting deals with the crazies, i call them the freedom club, kevin mccarthy is a coward, if he becomes speaker, it will be the worst time of his life, and history will not be kind to him. >> i want to bring in nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, jackie alemanyn, "washington post" and msnbc contributor. ali, so much to talk about. lots of standing ovation on the floor of the house, but does how does pelosi's decision potentially change the way her party will be run? >> chris, it's going to change it significantly. and i think this whole building had a collective ex

liz cheney and adam kinzinger are going to force that question, they're going to force the republicanschoose. >> would you urge president biden and the white house to comply with all these house republican investigations that have been promised? >> well, the -- obviously, everybody has to comply with the law, such as the law is. you know, we would hope that they would feel chastened by the voters of america who dealt them an historic repudiation. they were talking about picking up 40, 50 or 60 seats. the democrats may, indeed, win the house like yesterday we won the senate. so, it is a repudiation of that kind of right wing big lie election-denying, character assassination politics that donald trump brought right to the heart of the republican party. >> congressman, thank you for being here. joining us today. we'll be right back in a moment. . help comfort your loved ones. for chest, neck, and back. it goes on clear. no mess. just soothing comfort. try vicks vapostick. (fisher investments) it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same, but at fisher investments we

he knows liz cheney and adam kinzinger well.ay politics and refuse to talk to them seems cutting back down the gutter. >> i think he is in an impossible position with the base, and yet he still seems to be wanting to walk a line where he keeps some of donald trump's supporters happy. but from my reporting this summer, and kudos for amy spotting this on the secretary of state. i spent a day with mark finchem in june. >> oh, wow. >> traveling around arizona. what was fascinating is how much money there was in his campaign. that was this june. i think then democrats really started funneling money in over the summer. so the efforts that amy put in raising money did make a difference in that race. but i remember being in a trump merchandise store in show low, arizona. and about a quarter of the merchandise in that store was hang mike pence, mike pence was a traitor. and these were die-hard trump supporters selling cutouts of trump as rambo for $100 that they couldn't keep in the shop because they were selling so fast. but the thing t

republican representative adam kinzinger, who is a member of the january 6 committee, shared a roughly a dozen boger threatening calls to his congressional office that came in in july and republican representative fred upton said last year he got a voicemail that began with the words. i hope you die. and of course, late last month, house speaker nancy pelosi's husband, paul pelosi, was attacked with a hammer at the speaker's home. that suspect has been charged. another big story we're following tonight. police have arrested a teacher in the south bay. >> who is accused of sexually assaulting young girls at at a lot. a dual language academy in san jose. israel santiago was arrested at his home in morgan hill yesterday. he was booked into the santa clara county main jail. detectives interviewed several students. they say, though, that they could have made an arrest sooner. >> if the school had reported it sooner. kron four's. rob nesbitt joins us now live with details in that investigation. good evening, rob. >> there are some serious charges in this case. multiple counts of assault, an

[jordan] adam kinzinger, a republican congressman from illinois, thinks trump's impact on maga psychology is still being felt today. it used to be a very grownup thing as to admit your weakness, right? to come out and say, i've failed at that, or i was wrong, or i'm sorry. that now is seen as a sign of weakness. donald trump, who is still five years old in his emotional intelligence, truly, he cannot accept that embarassment. and you see that throughout both why he wanted to stay in power and his active attempts to do that after the election. [jordan] kinzinger voted to impeach trump once and sits on the january 6th committee. and for that, he's been censured by his own party-- a party he wishes would stand up to the big lie. and the problem is the counter to that could be somebody like kevin mccarthy. but he's too much of a sissy to actually take a tough stand. and most of my colleagues are too scared to actually take a tough stand. and truly, that's why i've endorsed democrats this year. [jordan] with just a few weeks left in office, the congressman is focusing on a position most americ

adam kinzinger is not a democrat. liz cheney's dad was dick cheney.was vice president under george w. bush as a republican. this is a bipartisan effort. host: if you are in ohio or just a political junkie, you can find it on our website where we have been calling many of the key debates from across the country this election cycle. your place for campaign 2022 -- c-span.org. great in lincoln park, michigan. independent. all right. how do you plan to vote because there is a tight race in michigan for governor. what will you do? caller: i will vote straight ticket, all republican, because of the fact that the democrats have gone way too far left. they are not my dad's democrats or my grandfather's democrats. it is just crazy what they are trying to do in the schools it how much money they are spending. we are in this mess that we are in, gasoline, groceries, everything, bills -- my heating bill -- my mortgage, i was fuming because it was another hundred dollars extra from a year ago. it is not the right thing to do, what the democrats are doing. host: go

adam kinzinger -- sorry, adam schiff went on "the sunday show" yesterday to say that all these transcriptsinal source materials ultimately is going to be released to the general public, but what these lawmakers are skimming over are these chapters that have been drafted by the teams that might not make it into the final report or may ultimately just make it into the appendix. either way they are being deprioritized and relegated and there were sources who spoke with us, 15 actually current and former committee staff who felt like this was all sort of a part of more of a liz cheney political operation as opposed to the fact-finding mission that they all initially signed up for and left their -- their -- in some cases high-paying private law jobs or powerful jobs in other parts of the country all to come to d.c. to do this important work. >> jackie, it's a truly extraordinary story and whenever you have staffers like this who are the people doing a lot of the work clearly talking to the "washington post," people like you, it's because they're frustrated that they are not getting something li

. >> congressman adam kinzinger of illinois says all the threats are part of trump's plan. >> i don'te words and actions of donald trump and think that he wanted anything except the explosion of these threats to people. he can stop that in a second if he wanted to. he likes it. there are a lot of members of congress that voted against impeachment because they were scared for their family and themselves. what does that mean? it means threats of violence worked. >> up in >> up >> up inr>>>> u >> they suggested that he used the apparatus of the government to sensor machines. heart-pounding design. intelligent technology. courageous performance. discover a new world of possibilities in the all-new lexus rx. never lose your edge. my dad was a hard worker. he used to do side jobs installing windows, charging something like a hundred bucks a window when other guys were charging four to five-hundred bucks. he just didn't wanna do that. he was proud of the price he was charging. ♪ my dad instilled in me, always put the people before the money. ... be proud of offering a good product at a fair

i have tremendous respect for her and for adam kinzinger.wn a lot of courage and backbone, something in very short supply in the gop these days. so, the committee would not have been the same without both of their participation. and i have nothing but respect for both of them. >> congressman schiff slammed kevin mccarthy after he promised to strip schiff of his positions if he becomes speaker of the house. >> mccarthy's problem is that he krnlt get to 218 without marjorie taylor greene and paul gosar and matt gaetz. right now they're asking me to be removed from my committees. he's willing to do it and anything they ask. that's the problem. kevin mccarthy has no ideology. he has no core set of beliefs. he it is hard to get to 218 that way and difficult to keep 218. that's his problem. so he will misrepresent my record, he'll misrepresent derek swalwell or omar, whatever he needs to do to get the votes of the qanon caucus within his conference. >> the january 6th report on the capitol attack is expected to come out at the end of the year. >>>

the party decided to push out good conservatives like adam kinzinger and liz cheney. they're not trying to grow, but they haven't put in the work to reach out to moderate republicans and moderates and right of center voters. they have to, i think in their minds, double and triple down on the very condensed base that they've been courting over the past four or five years instead of trying to grow it. >> to that point, s.e., who wins out? let's say the gop does take control of the house. you have this public split we're seeing in the party. there's more division for you right there. what are the chances they get something done that they could run on moving into 2024? >> reporter: yeah, i mean, the split i feel is mostly over personality. you know, i think the party is pretty united about where it wants to go. whether it's ron desantis winning florida and saying, you know, wokism lost, it's clear they might have used -- if inflation and the economy and crime to get elected, but they want to go back to the culture wars. i think that's a uniting principle for the party. th

adam kinzinger telling my colleague, that cohen, that he brought a threat we, that he says was directednd his young child, his infant at home, we brought it to capitol police, and they said, look, you're among a group of people that get a lot of threats. -- capitol police doesn't have the people to put a detail an every member of congress. this is another stark reminder of how serious the security situation is and how difficult it is for law enforcement to get in front of. >> 435 members of the house, 100 members of the senate. how does the capitol police -- had to officials make decisions about where to allocate protection? >> significantly, its threat based. what they do is they take a threat assessment for each member and decide what's in appropriate subcommittee package for the member. sometimes the package comes and goes. a member gets a detail, and member doesn't have a detail for a period of time depending on the threat landscape. but quite often, the major concern is the outside of the building. once you're inside the building, say for january 6th, for the most part, it's extrem

pence's pro defiance prompted this from adam kinzinger. >> you violated the separation of powers when your boss sent a rampaging group of people to destroy the capital. so, let's just stop that. we're probably not gonna talk to him, that's fine. but to say that we don't have a right is completely, completely unacceptable. he's gonna be out there trying to both sides everything. >> in a statement tonight, the committee called it disappointing that pence is misrepresenting the nature of our investigation while giving interviews to promote his new book. one of the panel star witnesses, white house aides castillo. doesn't she testified on an oath in another investigation. appeared before the fulton county grand jury, looking into former president trump and his allies efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in georgia. what happened today. let's get smarter with the help of our panel and break it all down. white house reporter for politico, former u.s. attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. now a law professor at the university of alabama. and pulitzer prize

joining me now to discuss, republican congressman, adam kinzinger of illinois.or taking the time this morning. you've heard the editorial. that not limited to that newspaper and i should note you've been saying for some time that support for trump among gop voters is weakening. is this election in effect the fourth in a row that trump as leader of the party has lost. is it it for the former president? >> no. i don't think this is it. i think it's going to take a number of losses for the gop to kind of fully exercise, if you will, the trump influence, the trump thing. and we'll see what happens. this is a blow to him and while it's probably i guess a decent election for republicans likely to take the majority, possible to take the senate, it's not what was expected. going to have to be a lot more hits to trump. here's the real question we've got to watch over the next week. does donald trump try to throw kevin mccarthy under the bus for this? which of course he will, but it's never donald trump's fall. that's what's going to be kind of rich to watch, frankly. >>

i want to share with you something that fellow veteran republican congressman adam kinzinger tweeted.id, i blame both trump for this moment coming and biden for the bombed ending. it's the truth about afghanistan. do you hold president trump accountable at all for that peace treaty that he and secretary pompeo negotiated with the taliban, which biden inherited. and you might remember, trump wanted to have the taliban leaders come to camp david near the anniversary of 9/11. >> it's president biden who's responsible for what happened in afghanistan. that agreement was not without flaw, but it was based on conditions on the ground that the taliban was not meeting in 2021. i think a lot of what happened in 2021 is that joe biden had a chip on his shoulder going back to 2009 that barack obama had sided with the military advisers like stan mccrisco and dave -- and bob gates. >> and everyone else. and joe biden was the one between 2009 who kept poisoning the well saying you've got to get out, you can't do this. and he wanted to prove that he was right. and we had numerous instances of testim

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. >> house republican adam kinzinger who is retiring at the end of this term says if mccarthy becomespeaker, then his tenure might be pretty short lived. >> i think he has cut so many deals with bad people to get to this position that i think he's not going to be a leader at all. i think he'll be hostage to kind of the extreme wings of the republican party. and i frankly don't think he's going to last very long. maybe he'll prove me wrong, but it's sad to see a man i think had so much potential just totally sell himself. >> cnn jake tapper asked democrat hakeem jeffries how his party will work with republican leadership if mccarthy becomes the new house speaker. jeffreys is running unopposed in his bid to be the next democratic leader in the house, replacing nancy pelosi who is stepping back from her leadership post. >> there is going to be -- because of the narrow majority that house republicans are going to have, the far right wing, the maga, caucus is going to be empowered and emboldened and make it tougher for mccarthy to govern as speak fer he does in fact, become speaker. if kev

. >> we've heard from retiring republican congressman, adam kinzinger.something interesting to jake tapper about his expectations for a kevin mccarthy speakership. here it is. >> i think he has cut so many deals with bad people to get to this position that i think he's not going to be a leeader at al. i think he'll be hostage to the extreme wings of the republican party and i frankly don't think he's going to last very long. >> is that how you think it might go? what do you guys this i? >> i think mccarthy is the only person who has to prove something here. can he govern? is his majority governable? nobody has said, you know, joe biden doesn't know how to work with the other side. the question will be can kevin mccarthy get the votes to pass the debt ceiling? to pass the government funding bill? those are the only two main functions he has to do, but the last time the republicans were in power, they held the economy hostage and our credit score was downgraded for the first time. >> i was reading john boehner's memoir. he must be sitting somewhere with a

liz cheney and adam kinzinger, bill cassidy and susan collins, but trump is the only publicly declared 2024 candidate. and only a couple of rivals have criticized his move. former new jersey governor chris christie and this man, asa hutchison. >> we need to avoid those kinds of empowering the extremes. when you meet with people, you empower and that's what you have to avoid. you want to diminish their strength. not empower them. >> fuentes is certainly at the extremes in addition to spewing racist, sexist garbage. he has a history of denying the holocaust. once comparing the jews to cookies in an oven. >> takes one hour to cook a batch of cookies and you have 15 ovens, 24 hours a day for five years, how long would it take you fo make 6 million? wouldn't be five years. the math doesn't add up. >> when i reached out to ronny mccan yell to comment on trump dining with that man, mcdaniel had an aide send me a boilerplate condemnation which says quote, as i have repeatedly said white supremacy, neo nazism are not discussing and do not have a home in the republican party, unquote. do not hav

that being adam kinzinger. mid romney here. until that sort of effort is underway, donald trump feels good about where he is at and that's why you should expect to see him tonight and the weeks ahead continuing to hold campaign rallying around the country. take georgia. herschel walker is still his backed candidate and you can expect him to be there in georgia alongside of that candidate because there's a lot of elections, a lot of elected republicans that still owe donald trump for their electoral success and understand there is a major share of the american voting electorate that still use him as the de facto leader of the party and for those elected leaders down ballot, they understand they need those for their electoral success. >> thank you so much. joining me now, josh dawesy. so assuming this will be a campaign launch, i want to read from your latest story. the differences it will have compared to his last run. quote, compared with 2020, the 2024 bid is expected to have a smaller staff and budget. the new campaign is exp

here's what adam kinzinger said a couple of weeks ago. >> there's somebody lying at the secret service. let's be clear. there's some interesting going ons with some of the people and we're not going to let that go. >> we are not going to let that go. january 6th select committee getting to the bottom of trump's state of rage about being stymied from witnessing and attending the violence at the capitol on january 6th. with us, carol leonnig is with us, along with neal katyal, and jonathan lemire, most of msnbc's "way too early" and author of the book "the big lie." >> so, carol, you and jonathan's books have exclusive reporting about this episode at the heart of really one of the only disputed public allegations of perjury that the committee has made in the course of their entire investigation and it's over the testimony of some secret service agents and as far as we know, it's around this second-hand account that cassidy hutchinson provided under oath. tell us what the line of questioning is as far as you understand it for mr. ornato, carol. >> so, i did speak actually, nicolle, with s

i have tremendous respect for her and adam kinzinger. shown a lot of courage and backbone, something in very short supply in the gop these days. the committee would not have been the same without both of their participation, and i have nothing but respect for both of them. >> as you well know, the man who was trying to be speaker, republican kevin mccarthy says that he wants to kick you off the intelligence committee, the committee that you now chair because of your handling of the trump/russia investigation, spoeskly that you repeatedly asserted there was direct evidence of collusion -- direct collusion which didn't materialize. >> mccarthy doesn't think it's inclusion if your campaign manager is giving inside polling data and battle strategy to an agent of russian intelligence. but most americans would call that collusion. mccarthy's problem isn't what i said about russia. mccarthy's problem is he can't get to 218 without marjorie taylor greene, paul gosar, matt gaetz. he'll do whatever they ask, he's willing to do anything they ask. t

i asked gop congressman adam kinzinger that question yesterday.listen and i want to see if you agree. >> is this election in effect the fourth in a row that trump as leader of the party has lost, is it it for the former president? >> no, i don't think this is it. i think it's going to take a number of losses for the gop to kind of fully exercise, if you will, the trump influence, the trump thing and, you know, we will see what happens. this is definitely a blow to him. >> do you agree? need more losses? >> probably. i mean, there was a pretty clear signal here, jim. this electorate was more republican leaning than in 2020, 2018 or for that matter what we're going to see in 2024. even though it was a more republican leaning electorate 60% of voters said they had an unfavorable view of trump, independent voters that got up to 66%. biden was not in great shape, either, but those are weak numbers. the fact that the trump selected candidates ran so poorly, again n these key states, these five states that flipped the presidency from '16 to '20 i think i

i stand firmly with liz and adam kinzinger and others inside the party in that regard and then for ms. slotkin, representative slotkin showing her ability as a democrat to draw a fellow colleague from across the aisle to support her efforts, again, within this democracy space because that is an underlying narrative that's important and third, the democracy itself to see that the effort, good faith effort being made and put forward to defeat that. you see that here in this race and where adam is going and supporting democrats and see it in races like mcmullin in utah able to work with the democrats to get their support to stand behind him against mike lee and that race in utah is a jump ball race in a very conservative state like utah. this is a brave new world. it an important new world that is emerging alongside of this corrupted effort to take down or at least weaken democracy and that's what the voters are going to have, i think, on their minds as they go into the polls in six days. >> yeah, i mean, president biden meanwhile will talk about protecting democracy tonight. have democr

. >> adam kinzinger said if he becomes speaker he will be, quote, led around on a leash by marjorie taylor greene and members of the freedom caucus. i mean, that's a vivid analogy, but it will be tough. he's not going to be able to -- he needs to have them onboard. >> you need to run a coalition government as speaker of the house within your own party. we elected people from new york and california from what i would call more moderate leaning districts. kevin understands that. so you have to run a coalition. >> you see marjorie taylor greene over his shoulder when he was announcing the commitment to america -- >> look, he's running a coalition government. >> he needs -- >> he needs the entire conference to work with him and to motivate that entire conference. >> so you do have this book out which looks at the financial issues facing the country which are immense, obviously. they were not part of this campaign. when i see what republicans have done so far they prepare to take mat jort is talk about investigations. they've talked about hunter biden, a number of impeachment resolutions alread

adam kinzinger was on our air yesterday speaking about this.ct committee so he's been looking at these issues. here he is. >> i don't know where the justice department is in their investigation. let's say, for instance, they were very close to indictment and then they switched to this because he's running for office then i think that's an unnecessary delay, but i think what we're going to be able to judge by is what the ultimate outcome will this special prose independent counsel get to a belief that he was guilty or not will be based on the evidence and what will be the result of donald trump. >> to the point he raises there, what is the outcome, do folks you speak with tell you this indicates he's further along or close to some ultimate decision on whether or not to charge? >> well, i have spoken to some former justice department officials really high-level people who say that this does make the situation much more possible that donald trump could be indicted that they would be looking at charges for him specifically, but of course there's al

, i'm hoping the rest of the country comes to and says, look, republicans alike -- we've got adam kinzinger'sgot a sitting member of our house of representatives. we need to start treating these thugs and criminals like the domestic terrorists that they are. they are eroding confidence in our elections. they are destroying america. there is no two-siderism here. we are running out of time here. >> why is it even close? you have kari lake and mark finchem openly telling the citizens of arizona, i wouldn't have counted your votes. i couldn't have certified the election. why is it so competitive? >> it's competitive because candidates like myself and my opponent we're relatively unknown. just a few weeks ago, in all honestly, our campaigns -- i was a county official. he's in the house of representatives. it's a very large electorate. in fact, when we started, one in five arizonans had never heard our names. but we are winning. we are winning the undecided voters by a 2-1 margin by the last numbers. i'm excited about continuing the campaign to help spread the good word. >> adrian fontes, thank yo