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[cheers and applause] >> thank you so much adam kinzinger. we are going to move to a live taping of an episode of the podcast hosted by we are always the fellow and board member of "the new york times" in conversation with chicago's own mayor brandon johnson. [cheers and applause] please everybody please, please silence or cellphones so you don't interrupt this podcast. stay out of the main hall and step up to the main hall for any conversations as we'll be recording this interview and as i said. okay everybody i think we are good on stage. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ please welcome to the stage seth thomas m. brandon johnson. [cheers and applause] >> hey. there so many people this is so cool. thank you all for being here. and thank you mayor also for being here. i will give you a second to do the entry you want to usually have people tell us here until you a you do but i think everyone knows. if you want to introduce yourself go ahead. thank you for having me and i do apologize i've been cheering so much speaking to so many people around the globe my place

she elevated adam kinzinger to speak at the convention. she elevated lifelong republican jeff duncan. she elevated olivia troy. i wonder what you make of her -- i have to say i think all these people would have been there for president biden as well, but this ticket seems to understand that if their message is we will be a president for all americans, that it is important to make this partnership and this coalition something in full view for everyone. how does that land in the democratic party? >> i think it's very well received. when the lieutenant governor spoke, and i thought he spoke so powerfully, i was thinking and the person next to me whispered, he is really brave. he's going to get death threats for speaking the truth. people who are brave enough to stand up, tell the truth, defend democracy need to be embraced. and they have been. which is very diverse, as you know. all the the way from people who are conservative democrats who look more like the republicans offiester year to people at the other end of the spectrum and everything

let me adam kinzinger. he is a right winger, y'all. let's just be very clear.onservative, conservative. here he is calling out someone else that i know that you know, condoleezza rice, national security adviser to president bush, george w. bush, and she says i spoke with brett baier about my essay and why isolationism has never been the answer to united states security or prosperity. america still needs the world. adam kinzinger says you're not fighting against isolationism. you're fighting against trump. say this outloud. no more straddling the fence, republicans. you're for or against trump. pick a side. to go on from that, matthew, this politico column today i found to be one of the most embarrassing statements of cowardliness i ever heard of. these are what the republicans -- rather than just fight trump, they're asking themselves would it be best to endorse a harris presidency to keep trump out of power for good. he would only serve one more term and be done for certain in to 28. as if he would leave. they seem to miss the whole plot. >> yeah. well, they m

they've, they've paid a very heavy price for almost no gain. >> all right, adam kinzinger. thank you so much good to see you. >> you bet, great cia what life is like behind bars for hip hop star sean diddy combs as he awaits the trial, his trial on charges of federal racketeering racketeering conspiracy, and sex trafficking our next guest will explain cnn newsroom tomorrow on, the whole story, how does a bernie bro become a pro pro-trump, pro-putin social media superstar, maga, communist, you know, people watching cnn are going to say, you're crazy. the whole story with anderson cooper tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn today's biggest fee wasn't making costumes for the school plan but. >> warren locking in an appointment actually getting there with time to spare it was the fact that the silvers went four for before i'm getting all their flu shots with no tears bravery rewarded when it's time for vaccines, it's time for cvs when it comes to amgen life, changing medical breakthroughs, every second counts but without investment, those breakthroughs are often paused cities seamlessly con

served as communications it's instructed vice president harris and former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who served on the january 6 committee and has endorsed vice president harris scott. i mean, he's lying about this in pennsylvania. there's no widespread election voter fraud. there's no evidence of it in mail-in ballots people just discount this. it just like at this point is just like, oh, this is what he does. but is this acceptable? i mean, he's basically it's do you you think this is acceptable? >> listen, listen, anderson, there are a lot of folks out there, literally millions of americans who had a big problem with 2020 well, i know, but it's just factually they don't have any evidence like courts looked at it. >> i know a lot of people because it's promoted on a lot of networks and a lot of radio networks. but just saying a lot of people feel this doesn't make it true. i think, you know, it's not true, i assume, but there's no evidence look, as i said before, there are tons of irregularities in the 2020 election that never happened before, right? >> there are people who have p

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as the goals of the kurdish operation, together with experts, former congressman, republican adam kinzingeroyee of the us national security council, alexander widman. i suggest you listen. i tend to be a bit cautious about this. the general opinion is that ukraine should have kept this living force for protection. this manpower had to be used to protect vulnerable areas in the southeast. but the reality is that if the kurdish operation pulls forces from the entire battlefield to force putin to defend not only kusk, but also bryansk and belgorod, it means that the ukrainian army will have a better one. chances, a better balance of forces to hold or liberate the territory in ukraine, and this is a recipe for success, so if it comes to this, it will be a very, very good operation, but it is too early to judge. ukraine captured as much, or even more , russian territory than the russians captured ukrainian territories in the last year. the russians have already lost more people than the united states lost in world war ii, and they have nothing. justify it. the united states and our allies can bo

you mentioned the convention, adam kinzinger had a prominent role. of mine, now a texan who has moved to houston and i see us as part of a shared coalition of trying to bring series leaders back into office who will make sure we bring us together and never have to go through something like january 6 ever again. that we never come that close to losing democracy. that's a shared value we can all agree on and one that was not just one person responsible. folks should know this, ted cruz was the architect in the senate of that attempt, the objector to the results in arizona. when the mob came and a took off my suit jacket and i was going to hold back the mob out the door, he was hiding in the supply closet. texans understand that and on november 5 we are going in a different direction. >> rissman colin allred, thank you for spending some time with us on this extraordinary endorsement, liz cheney backing you against ted cruz. evan, my guy! you're helping them with savings, right? (♪♪) i wish i had someone like evan when i started. somebody just got their

guest: i spoke to jeff duncan in georgia, adam kinzinger was also amazing. they really -- i think that kinsinger and duncan are the future leaders of whatever ends up happening after. people like glenn youngkin, though he has supported trump in a way that you probably have to as a sitting republican governor in a state like that, when you hear people talk privately about how many of these republicans really feel about trump, it's very different, right? i do think that those guys, nikki haley and others, they will try to salvage it and turn it into something, but i think that adam and jeff will have a hard time going back, as would i, to what the republican party is now. i thought that they both did an amazing job saying that there is no shame in voting for vice president harris. she's got common sense, not dangerous, won't overthrow democracy. for most of us, we are going to be 200 and 50 years old in 2026 and we want the republic to stand another 250 years after all of us are well gone and we want it to keep going, we want it to be free, we wanted to be the

how this was an event for all americans we heard from republican former house representative adam kinzingerald trump is a weak man pretending to be strong. he is a small man pretending to be big. >> stephen: he is two dozen horny raccoon stacked in a suit pretending to be a man. keep him out of your garbage. tighten the lid. kinzinger said more. >> democracy knows no party. it's a living, breathing ideal that defines us as a nation. it's the bedrock that separates us from tyranny. when that foundation is fractured. >> stephen: tim walz would recommend you buy some sakrete at home depot until you can level it up with foam. skim coat it and seal it and then you might as well -- you're never going to regret it. you've got to stop the black mold. then it was finally time for kamala harris. she was introduced by north carolina governor roy cooper. >> hello, america. i'm roy cooper. the last guy standing between you and the moment we are all waiting for. >> stephen: beyonce? no? i'm just asking. i'm just asking. i know the dnc said she wasn't coming but tmz said she was. then finally kamala harri

2 years and we flipped it not just by appealing to partisan instincts, and you mentioned that adam kinzingerton and i see us as part of the shared coalition of trying to bring serious leaders back to office that will make sure that we bring us together and we never have to go through something like january 6 ever again. that we never come that close to losing our democracy. that is a shared value that we could all agree on. and one that it wasn't just one person who is responsible for january 6 and folks out there should know that. this ted cruz was the architect in the senate of that attempt. he was the objector to the results in arizona and then what that mob came and i took off my suit jacket and was going to hole back the mob at a door while my colleagues escaped, he was hiding in the supply closet and texans understand that too and i think on november 5th, we're going in a different election. >> thank you more -- for spending time with us. when can he come back, we will turn to the tracking the many times donald trump bend the fbi and the justice system in this country his direction and

when we see people like that former attorney general, people like dick cheney and liz cheney and adam kinzinger others go and jump on kamala harris' bandwagon and for kamala harris to say i'm honored. please, come and join us. >> laura: oh, god. >> not that long ago these same democrats were calling him a war criminal. it exposes them for who they really are they don't care about the country or the constitution or the people. it's about them and their power. as tulsi former president trump announced today on truth social he will not do a deanother debate with kamala harris. what is the thinking behind that decision? >> i haven't gotten any kind of insider brief that i can share with you. but, for me, if i had to guess, president trump went in to a debate where it was three versus one. it was completely biased. it was the propaganda media that's in the pocket of kamala harris and the democrat elite going up against donald trump. it is political theater that they want to use as a means to spread their propaganda and why would he? why we walk into that again? i think he were to do any kind of deba

coffee roy points can either team tell me how never trump republican adam kinzinger described trump's personal odor on jimmy kimmel earlier this month old food. >> food is a good guess. >> i can call out right now. he's at myself. oh, yeah. bragg he's my buddy lifeline and on this show here's what adam said on jimmy kimmel about trump's odor. >> so if you take like armpits uh-huh. >> catch-up makeup and a little but it's probably like makeup and a little been how did he get that close? i've been close to trump biden smell anything? i mean, we've gotten bad argument, but i have covid at the time. >> no membrane charlie is your headline blink plummets during presidential debate wait. oh, i haven't blood pressure know that went the other way. >> no the answer is porn traffic porn traffic plummets during presidential debate because it was a very sexy debate. but was mark watching the debate or supporting off to the debate all of america according to pornhub, a site i'm not familiar with they say that traffic was down 14.8% on average across the country during the debate, which makes sense

notable republicans who vowed to support harris like his daughter liz cheney and former congressman adam kinzinger. you think headlines like these would rattle trump, but let's be real. republicans who dare speak out against trump have already been ostracized from the party. that is why moderate republicans are privately hoping that trump loses and loses big. according to politico, some of the republicans wishing for a trump loss include long-standing gop figures throughout the nation who bleed red and would not dare to say this publicly, but who are more than willing to move on from the trump era. a conservative lawmaker told politico there is a lot of anxiety about what trump does to the ability to win and what he may do to the party in terms of policy, long-term. so jonathan martin who spoke with republicans floats another option making the rounds. speed up the ex-president's departure with a trump win so he could only serve one more term and be done for certain in 2028. now there are a few problems with this hopeful, if not delusional way of thinking. first of he loses there is nothing to sugg

what's to come roy points, can either team tell me how never trump republican adam kinzinger described trump's personal odor on jimmy kimmel earlier this month food food is a good guess. i can call at right now. he's at myself. oh, bragg show here's what adam said on jimmy kimmel about trump's older so if you take like armpits uh-huh. catch-up, makeup a little. >> but it's probably like makeup and a little. >> but how did he get that close? i mean, close to trump. i didn't smell anything. i mean, we've gotten bad argument, but i have covid at the time. >> no i'm brynn charlie. >> here's your headline blank plummets during presidential debate wait. >> oh, i haven't. >> blood pressure know that went the other way the answer is porn traffic porn traffic plummets during presidential debate because it was a very sexy debate. >> but was mark robinson watching supporting off to the debate all of america according to pornhub, a site of math familiar with they say that traffic was down 14.8% on average across the country. during the debate which makes sense because if you end to watch an old ma

i think having that permission structure from adam kinzinger or liz cheney, albert gonzalez is another their own voices that donald trump is simply unfit and dangerous to hold the highest office in the land. that helps. it creates that ability to people away voters. i want to say, we are certainly, we look at data, the polling and the research, we look at the election results cycle by cycle. we understand empirically. all of that is factored in. there's a human element here. i think for cycles, democrats got so upsweat the efficiency of targets that it has let some areas of the country go. if you stop showing up, it will catch up with you. i think it caught up a bit in 2016. what has been really important in this campaign in the past election cycle in '20 and '22 is to have a presence in these communities. there are 50 offices in pennsylvania. obviously we're talking about johnstown today. we have an office in lancaster, we saw it in beaver county with governor walz recently. those are places you show up. if you show voters you respect them, you want to listen to them. there is certain

you have people like adam kinzinger and others with the threat to donald trump and our the constitution and democracy. this is an opportunity for us to speak to a wider swath of the american electorate and make sure they understand. >> bill: a number of the things you listed there. trump has the opportunity to say you have had 3 1/2 years. >> dana: one of the things that happened in the last several weeks is that through spokes people she has said she is no longer for positions she held before but values still hold. bernie sanders was on the "meet the press" over the weekend. this is what he said. watch. >> she has previously supported medicare for all. now she does not. she has previously supported a ban on fracking. now she does not. do think that she is abandoning her progressive ideals? >> i don't think she is aban dong here ideals. trying to be pragmatic and doing what she thinks she is doing what is right in order to win the election. >> dana: you sticking with the values that you have but abandoning the practice of the last several years. will people be able to believe that? >> i

gone against their party's candidate, including her fellow january 6 house committee member, adam kinzingerharris will soon have a chance to face from herself in the upcoming presidentl debate. >> if you've got something to say, say it to my face. laura: both have agreed to the ground rules, including muted microphones when it is not a candidate's turn to speak. amna: key details at the center of donald trump's election interference case were debated this morning. the judge declined to slow proceedings in the case, giving prosecutors a chance to unseal crucial and potentially politically damaging information against trump. the case had been on hold for several weeks while the former president's team argued for presidential immunity ethic supreme court. today was the first time that both sets of lawyers were back in the classroom since that big supreme court ruling on presidential immunity earlier this summer. >> it was a big day in court. lawyers for the special counsel counsel, jack smith, wanted to suggest that their case survives even the supreme court decision, which required them to pa

. >> the january 6 situation, and the ones like fred and liz cheney and adam kinzinger, sometimes you have to vote against your constituents to do what is right too. so, you have that situation. >> and most did not survive. >> there are not many. so you have to do that too. and that is what you are therefore, you have to follow the rule of law. if you are not willing to do that, they are not paying you enough to violate the law. >> the question on the hastert ru, always thought it was a silly thing, personally. i can point to several votes. we always told the majority to pass the bill. in 2013, i cannot tell you homie times i voted for a debt ceiling or a continued resolution with 29 to 85 votes of republicans and a whole bunch of democrats. so they imposed the hastert rule until they didn't, which was all the time. i would argue the spirit of hastert rule was never violated, because there was always the majority of people who supported what we were doing, just not a majority voting for what we were doing. [laughter] seriously, that was always the case. it is one of those things they

. >> wants to join roy points, can either team tell me how never trump republican adam kinzinger describednal odor on jimmy kimmel earlier this month old food food is a good guess. i can call at right now. he's at myself. oh, bragg and he's my buddy a, lifeline on this show here's what adam said on jimmy kimmel about trump's older so if you take like armpits, catch-up, makeup, and a little but it's probably like and a little been how did he get that close? >> i've been close to trump. i didn't smell anything. i mean, we've gotten bad argument, but i have covid at the time. no membrane. >> charlie is your headline blank plummets during presidential debate. >> wait. oh, i haven't blood pressure know that went the other way. no the answer is porn traffic plummets during presidential debate? >> yes. because it was a very sexy debate. you didn't but was mark robinson watch the debate on the floor? >> off to the all of them according to pornhub a site of math familiar with they say that traffic was down 14.8% on average across the country during the debate, which makes sense because if you went

thought that night, the fourth night of the democratic convention, it featured speeches from adam kinzinger and others. i thought it was a comprehensive narrative to impugn donald trump to ever serve as commander in chief, to pass the commander in chief bar. and mike's right. voters usually have domestic issues front and center, but she has sort of sat in the situation room, fox news seemed so flummoxed by it. janine piro scolding him and sort of scolding him in whatever weird dynamic that is. but i wonder where you put foreign policy and the brutal war in ukraine and the brutal and savage murder of six hostages by hamas and her strength that she's articulated as a candidate in her convention speech and in yesterday. how important do you think that is for her candidacy? >> i think it's really important both because of the issues themselves but also because of the broader contrast that it makes between her and trump. you know, you mentioned that last night at the convention. they did something they've been doing on other issues which they draw the comparison in part by just putting forward h

party's candidate, including her fellow january 6 house committee member, former representative adam kinzingerill soon have a chance to face trump herself in the upcoming presidential debate. >> if you've got something to say, say it to my face. laura: both have agreed to the ground rules, including muted mics when it's not a candidate's turn to speak. for the "pbs news hour," i'm laura barron lopez. amna: key details at the center of former president donald trump's election interference criminal case were debated in a washington, d.c. courtroom this morning. judge tanya chutkan declined to slow down proceedings in the case, giving prosecutors a tentially politicallyial, and damaging evidence against mr. trump in the next three weeks. the case had been on hold for several months while the former president's team argued for presidential immunity at the supreme court. npr's carrie johnson was in the courtroom for the hearing, and she joins me now. today was the first time both sets of lawyers were back in the courtroom since that big supreme court ruling on presidential immunity earlier this sum

what i think it does is it's him, liz cheney, others, adam kinzinger, others, it basically adds up asre, not to republicans but former republicans or independents who might have reluctance to vote for a democrat, it gives them a permission structure, to basically vote, even though they may not like the vice president harris or may agree with her on certain policies, there's a small group of voters, 3, 4, 5%, that it's a signal to them that it's okay if you support the democrat in this race, and that, as you know, this race could be decided by a few thousand votes, could be significant. >> 3 or 4 or 5% is high. i thought you were going to say 3 or 4 or 5 voters period. a lot of these establishment, former old guard republicans, a lot of them have come out and said, no, we don't like donald trump. we think that anybody but donald trump is good. or better. and dick cheney, he has such a spotty record, and there are so many people in this country who absolutely loathe him. mark was being cheeky by saying democrats love him because democrats don't like him. the wars in iraq, what happened

adam kinzinger was here.en, i think, persecuted by a lot of -- even members of his family, et cetera, these people. i think he said something similar about, like, trump -- do you know -- does trump like that? is he like hulk hogan also back there? >> he's an entertainer. just an entertainer, yeah. >> jimmy: he's friendly to you when you see him? >> he told me i do a good job on tv. >> jimmy: he did? >> that's all that matters to this guy. the consequences for everyone else, like women and their bodies, kids and their safety at school, seniors and their health care, to him, it's just me, me, me. and that comes first. so if he sees someone else on tv, again, when the cameras aren't on, hey, yeah, we're in the club. it's like, no, buddy, there's actually real consequences and stakes for what you're taking us all through. >> jimmy: that is just crazy. you're one of the few democrats who goes on fox news, really like you and pete buttigieg and gavin newsom, maybe a couple others. do they call you, "hey, we need a

. >> as we note with cheney and adam kinzinger and the number of republicans that have been coming out, we are going to vote for kamala harris. 37% of people said they voted democratic because of the freedom to vote because they did not want to have an assault on our democracy. that is what you are hearing from a number of republicans who, albeit, may not agree with the policy but they believe the patriotism is the most important thing, that we uphold our democracy. >> harris campaign said it welcomes the support it is getting from anybody else who would want to support this campaign effort. in the beginning, they said that this is a big tent campaign, even before vice president harris was at the top of the ticket. they have been trying to build this coalition. they hired a republican organizer, if you will, if you months back to try to wrangle the support that could come with republicans, in particular, from those who have supported nikki haley before she dropped out of the republican primary race. that is something we can expect to continue over the next several months, the idea that

>> and as much as we think it is about great principal and it certainly is for liz cheney and adam kinzingerhe hassle, honestly. alberto gonzalez now is going to get emails from some of his friends who still want to work for trump or might really like trump and will be mad at him. i spoke to one of the 200 people on the list that you mentioned in the intro, the more prominent ones, and she said that she got a call from a former bush cabinet secretary, upgrading her for putting her name on the list. so it is kind of like if you thought trump was going to win anyway, why deal with the hassle? now you can see the momentum moving in harris's direction, like okay, i can handle a couple of nasty grams from the club if i can do the right thing and we think it will end up that way as well. >> your point about the debate, you know, harris says she wants another debate. trump equivocated today and came out with a typically all caps, deranged statement about how he is not going to do another debate. some of the polling we have has harris up by five points. others show different things. this will shake

we need people like liz cheney and adam kinzinger who have endorsed kamala harris. agree on every policy but you agree on who we are as americans and on our constitution and who leaders should be. when you have somebody who made comments like mark robinson who is clearly unfit and unhinged and shouldn't be running. the fact that donald trump was here in wilmingtont whe i am sitting, where he couldn't disavow mark robinson. he was trying to ignore it. but he didn't disavow what mark robinson said or his candidacy. it is just shameful. it is just shameful. he said he is a star and he said he is martin luther king jr. on steroids and not disavowing any of that so he is supporting mark robinson and those are the types of candidates that he is supporting and we can't have it and shows you many of the example why he is unfit and for any job let alone president of the united states. >> there is also an important interesting part of how people of talked about the role and how it has reshaped the perception of masculinity. i'm not sure you planned on that but you are incredi

we need people like liz cheney and adam kinzinger who come out and endorse kamala harris. you may not agree on every single idea and policy, but you agree on who we are as americans. you agree on our constitution and who leaders should be. when you have someone who made comments like mark robinson, he is clearly unfit, unhinged, and should not be running. the fact that donald trump was right here in wilmington, right where i am sitting, where he could not disavow mark robinson. he was trying to ignore it, but he did not disavow what robinson said. it is shameful. it is just shameful. donald trump is the guy who said this guy is a start. he said that he is martin luther king jr. on steroids. he has not disavowed any of that, so donald trump is supporting mark robinson. those are the types of candidates he is supporting. it shows you yet another of the many, many examples of why donald trump is unfit for any job, let alone president of the united states. >> joining us now, jen psaki, former white house press secretary and host of inside with jen psaki on this network. i just

threats, often of course, the chinese themselves have been subject to death threats does has adam kinzinger and people who you know, who've spoken out over the years. so we certainly understand that a mitt romney in books about senator romney, has spoken about how we had to get security for his family after he voted for impeachment. so we understand that the threats that come to people who not only say they aren't going to vote for donald trump, but then if you go that next step so it is a secret ballot. and then there were many people who understandably, they may not want to make a choice at all, but just not voting for donald trump great. don't do that particularly if you're going to swing state, please don't this this man is dangerous, but it is a secret ballot. and if you care about nato, if you care about our alliances, i'm here in australia visiting with my daughter, but i also was meeting with people here talking about our election our allies are concerned about having someone like this. i've traveled around the country over the past around the world, over the past few years and so m

former gop congressman adam kinzinger and former white house press secretary stephanie grisham both spokes at the democratic convention last month. and speaking of politics, we are now four days away from the first presidential debate between vice president harris and former president trump. the rush for both candidates to get ready comes as august fund-raising totals show a massive haul for vice president harris. her campaign raked in $361 million last month and former president trump's campaign brought in $130 million. joining us now, nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell from pittsburgh. so, kelly, what more are we learning about how the candidates are preparing? >> well, with a little bit of an afternoon shower coming through pittsburgh, vice president harris is taking some time to hunker down here with top advisers over the next several days to prepare for the debate. she is doing mock sessions with a colleague who is playing donald trump, also going through the different briefing books and going through some of the planned and anticipated questions and topics and

i'm voting for harris and former congressman and her colleague on the january 6 committee, adam kinzinger. he did the same thing at the convention. the reason this is so significant is liz cheney is one of the best recognized republicans in the country. her father was a two-term vice president under president george w bush dick cheney is a very conservative republican. he's very anti-trump to as it said, what he will do presidentially. but this is kind of a hint. and two republicans who are mainstream conservatives who supported the bushes and the cheneys and the other republican nominees that came up in the 90s and the first couple of decades of the 2000s this is a very significant move. >> it gives them permission to not only refused to vote for trump, but to vote for kamala harris. >> so you'll see a lot of liz cheney between now and november 5, larry sabato always appreciate your political analysis. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you so much, rosemary donald trump wants a change of venue for his hush money case when we come back details on the former president's latest attempt to

you had adam kinzinger, a republican, up there. this is a broad coalition she is trying to build. the glue obviously is donald trump. everybody agrees, whatever their orientation is, that preventing trump from being president is a moral imperative. that is the view of all the people supporting harris. but i think it is really interesting that you are building a kind of framework of consensus, even though there will be disagreements on particulars. elaine is right about freedom. i agree with what elaine said. i would add to that that they are also talking not only about freedom from the state interfering with you -- negative freedom, freedom from the state interfering with you, but positive freedom, freedom of liberty, where the state can empower people to achieve things they couldn't achieve without some extra help. that is where the other two words come in that i think define this convention, which are freedom, patriotism, and opportunity. i can think a lot of republicans circuit 1980-- circa 1980's would be jealous of the harris convention for putting those themes and grabbing t

you had adam kinzinger who served the country proudly, was a conservative. david french. you have people who have been conservative their entire life saying, "we can't go there because this is not any other election. this is about the future of this country and how our government is n." >> well, we need a strong conservative republican party, and that is not donald trump or e party that he is leading. not even close. and a lot of people, we've met some republicans who, over the summer, spent time with them, voted for trump and can't anymore because their belief is a vote for kamala harris is a vote for potentially the republican party ultimately having a chance to rebuild itself. but it only can do that without donald trump. >> that's what jonathan martin was -- we're going to be talking about this later. jonathan martin reported on this in "politico" yesterday. there are more and more republicans secretly hoping donald trump loses because they believe that's their best chance, and lose big, because that's their best chance to reform the republican party. make no mistake

they are the former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who has endorsed vice president harris. i should note california congressman and a surrogate for the harris campaign representative, ro khanna, and cnn senior political commentator scott jennings, and congressman kinzinger. let me just start with you. when you hear what mark robinson is saying there to andrew kaczynski after this report you know, trying to argue that it's ai or internet generated. i mean, what do you make of his response to this report? >> i guess in the era of, you know everybody doubles down, nobody admits mistakes or fault. it's, it's to be expected. i hope nobody actually buys that. his argument there. the sad thing is there are many people that will still probably vote for him. i read one of the just before we got on one of the posts that cnn isn't showing. and i got to tell you it's, it's beyond anything. i even imagine what this in terms of its, how disturbing it is. and so look, he's again, he's made the decision to stay in and i guess he has till midnight to drop out. he's obviously not going to do

just handed to me and it just came out a few minutes ago and there are people on the system like adam kinzinger, olivia troye, who actually spoke at the democratic convention. >> there's your name, john negroponte elliot cohen, others here. i can hear the response from some of the trump campaign already in my head saying this is a list of rhinos and neocons what would you say to that frankly, there is nothing about the campaign that i see on the trump behalf that resembles anything approaching republican as i've ever seen throughout the course of my life. >> this is an abandonment of free trade principles of national security definition that is very, very clear one in which we're focused very dominantly on responsible governance. a economic policy, all what's kristie, different functions that we've seen in every other republican administration in the past aren't even anywhere near and evidence in this particular campaign mantra that has been advanced. so there's nothing here that resembles republican in my mind. and if anything the testimony of former vice president dick cheney and his daughter

>> we'd, adam kinzinger delivering a primetime speech. we also had a number of full nor republican supporting vice president harris, notably lieutenant governor, former lieutenant governor geoff duncan of georgia, a key swing state the harris campaign knows this is all about the margins. as you just said, most republicans, the vast majority of republicans, over 95%, will be supporting donald trump. that's because republicans, but there is this key sliver of maybe anti-trump vote never trump vote that could swing harris. and all it takes is a couple of thousand and swing states the new york times sienna poll just laid it out. this is going to be an insanely close election. if harris can ship where the margins and get people who really respect dick cheney, liz cheney to vote for her. that could be all the difference and the same token, however, i think donald trump's campaign is trying to make a similar outreach. how successful it might be, who knows, but look, they're having robert f kennedy and tulsi gabbard, both former democrats, brough

back now with the panel joining us former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who is now supporting vice president harris, gretchen, i mean, when you hear this, again, bringing up this idea of childless people, and also just the idea that she should be humbled well, actually, i would give the humble award to people who raised stepchildren because that's probably more difficult than in some cases. >> then if you actually have your own biological children. but another point that i was thinking about earlier today is toxic the city starts at the top and it, and it dwindles down and i would know something about this having worked for roger ailes at fox news, right? toxicity eventually becomes normalized when it comes from the top, you have donald trump saying all of these similar things, right? so it's no surprise that his spokespeople would eventually say the same thing. they've watched him have absolutely no repercussion and for saying crazy things and now they say the same thing in a deeper level i believe that the strategy of the trump campaign right now is to go full red meat to th

that the left needs to tone down the rhetoric and this morning, former republican congressman adam kinzinger says, quote, look violent rhetoric is wrong and has no place, but maga pretending they don't, they didn't like this fire is gaslighting to the 100th power since trump showed up, our politics has gone to crap. >> alright, let's get right to cnn's alayna treene for the plans for today. alayna, what are you learning while john, we actually are going to see donald trump publicly today for the first time since this apparent second assassination attempt, when he addresses the crowd in michigan, it's a town hall in flint, michigan hosted by arkansas governor sarah huckabee sanders. >> of course, his former press secretary, who worked very closely with him. and i think a lot of people are kind of waiting to see how donald trump appears visually. now i will say we did hear from him last night at 8:00 p.m. monday evening, he participated in a twitter spaces event and we did hear him kind of walk through some of his reaction. what i found notable was that he recounted what happened on sunday in

>> i mean, look, she wasn't at the convention like we saw some other notable names including adam kinzingerpeaking for example well is this the way that she wanted to announce this? i'm a little confounded. those kind of this, like closed door event at duke university and then it kind of leaked out in some tweets and then all of a sudden it went made, started making headlines. >> but i think it's kind of like the slow trickle effect that over time, if you continue to release names, it provides she was saying a permission structure and a bit of confidence for people that okay maybe i feel comfortable doing this. >> i mean, i spoke to one of the republicans for harris a couple of weeks ago and she basically said that, look at the end of the day, harris is smart. she's strong and she used the word not crazy. and this is a woman from a republican family on staten island. so this is not some moderate democratic leaning republican well, that's the argument that harris is team is really also trying to push like, hey, it's, it's weird and crazy we're there? >> yep. it's not weird, not crazy. more n

she now joins adam kinzinger, her former fellow republican in the house january 6 committee in backinghe vice president as she put it today, quote, i don't believe we have the luxury of writing in candidates names james particularly in swing states perspective now from new york times senior political correspondent maggie haberman, also ashley etienne, who served as vice president harris's communications director, and republican strategist, erin perrine, maggie, i want to start with you, donald trump, not a fan of liz cheney. i think it's safe to say at this point, but how much do you think this public endorsement? we'll get under his skin. i mean, given the fact that he comments at almost everything under the sun on truth, social, i think there is a real possibility that he will talk about this in negative terms she bothers him a great deal. >> the january 6 committee's work bothered him a great deal. i think what's interesting about it is the signal that it sends to republicans who did not support donald trump who may have supported safe nikki haley, or no one at all, that they can fe