and if someone is right and congress is just getting started, charles payne, adam lashinsky, charlie gasperino. and amelia. what do you think? >> we're going to see a lot more. in the state of confusion is where the democrats win and run it over and over for the entire campaign and it does, it confuses, the average consumer has no idea, but to believe that. that's what they read. the little clip is all they know about the news. >> neil: was it a defining clip or a defining line. >> and amelia hit on it, we find out it's a lie a year later. and we saw it replayed, with the payroll tax cut i'm still confuse abouted this. okay, many he no, i'm offering you $1,000 and the other guy-- ♪ silent night, holy night ♪ >> neil, af got to-- >> that was a great commercial and here is the problem that republicans have. >> but it was a-- >> okay, it was a fib or whatever. do this all the time and here is what republicans do, fight fire with fire. do that, come back and defend yourself. >> one more hideously dressed-- >> listen, i like paul ryan and admire what he did with the plan, it was bold, pol

. >> and the snapshot right now, adam lashinsky looks like the president resisting any adjustments in the medicare program, that can't be good even among medicare recipients who like the deal they have now? >> well, i think politically, the president is not against any consensus or anything right now. charlie, he's against anything that the republicans say, because-- >> and yeah, but this was-- >> i'm not, he's running-- he's running for president. and this essentially is the ryan plan. whatever the merits for it are-- >> and well, because for the same reason that romney and newt agreed about something the other night. >> and why did erskine bowles join with-- >> i love being grilled, i love being grilled by you, while i'm trying to make my point. which is he hasn't-- by the way, he's not against bowles simpson, he just didn't do anything about it. i mean, i agree with you, he has not been good on this and he's not being good on this issue, either. it's silly, by the way, to suggest that the republican invented the scare tactics on "mediscare." and the death penalty and obama care and

and charles payne along with dagen mcdowell and adam lashinsky, and charlie gasperino. >> occupy wall street, if niece occupy kids are defense greed and people taking advantage of things, they have to be against some of the unions, particularly the big union bosses. you can argue greed by unions kill the auto industry, the trucking industry, you know, hurting the airline industry and the bosses in the unions, forget about it. they, really, really do live a life that only the 1% could even recognize. >> neil: dagen? >> where do you think that this, this hipocracy comes from? what did you say in the intro, rich corporate fat cats, how many heard if you heard those two words, fat cats come out of the president's mouth. >> neil: as soon as i hear that, i don't listen to the rest. >> when you say fat it's almost literal, literal in that photo. >> rich, calorie challenged. >> the two men in the photo. can you imagine they're saying to each other, yo, you think my gut is too big to-- >> hey, hey, hey. >> careful, careful. gasperino? >> why would they bite the hand that feeds them? i mean, i'