adam lashinsky says just open your wallet and call it a day.ere to tax. >> salutes the middle classes when they get taxed. >> this is by getting the small businesses out to basically fixed income inequality for you. it's the. neil: the one thing that confused me about the mayors push. and of course he was saying i'm glad you're on my same page here. but to what end? >> welcome i guess there is a difference. whatever the process was. neil: you are a gentleman and i am not. this is justifying a high tax to justify because that is really what you like. they are known as tax cheats. by the way, is that they can adhere to velocity are not technically cheating. enough people will stay and pay their taxes and the same thing happens in california. most people stay and pay their taxes. >> i'm not sure the small business guy think he's a tax cheat just because he's trying to organize his tax bills around a very onerous system here in york. the. neil: it's human nature. it if you can live anywhere, you live in a lower tax area. >> but you can't really do

here to clash out wih her is adam lashinsky. the kiwi, let me start with you.very time i do this today, there are so many individuals on either side. the cost to all of the social welfare programs, versus how much productivity, what work that they would do and what they can consume. sohow do you come by the numbers? >> i actually ascribed to paul ryan's view that entitlements, yes, that's something we need to look at. and it doesn't actually allow som to have entitlements. so that is part of the debate. but when marco rubio, when he approached the chief actuary, they said 3.2 million jobs will be created over 10 years and gdp growth will actually be one third-grader over 10 years. so as long as, in my opinion, as long as we can push aside the entitlements an allow people to get jobs, it will be that good in the ong run. melissa: adam, what do you think about tha >> that makes good sense to me. there's no question that our entire economy in the history of our country is built upon the backs of immigrants. so everything that we can do to make illegal immigrants l

here with all the details, experts adam lashinsky a fox news contributor. why does this number keep ballooning do you think. >> melissa i heard you set that up, but the number is bigger than you suggested because obviously children, teenagers don't have accounts. it is much larger than a third of the united states. and i would say to you, that anybody with a credit card, anybody with a computer in this country is a potential victim in this ongoing trend. these are criminals largely operating out of eastern europe. they have been at it for years. they get better and better, as we, you and i, everybody watching this show put more of our information into digital formats including shopping. >> how do they know this is all connected, what is going on at target, what is happening at neiman marcus? not all retailers have been notified yet. it may have happened to you and you don't even know it. how are they linking these things together as one incident? >> strikes me as a law enforcement issue. that part, so much they don't know and can't do, that part doesn't str