joining me is adam segal of the council on foreign relations. he is the author of "the hacked world order." from washington raj de, served as general counsel at the national security agency. he currently leads a global cybersecurity practice at the mayer-brown law firm. and michael riley from bloomberg news, and david sanger of the "new york times." i am pleased to have them all here. david sanger, since you have been here so many times, tell me where we are. >> i think we're at sort of a predictable place in the course of this because what we knew a year, year and a half ago though the government didn't announce it as such is the russians got inside the state department's unclassified email systems, the white house unclassified email systems, part of the systems of the joint chiefs of staff, then we discovered the successor to the k.g.b. more than a year ago got into the democratic national committee systems followed by another russian military agency, the g.r.u., going into the same d.n.c. system. when you go in, you follow the bread crumbs ou