how do what was the spark how did it wasn't it wasn't this adbusters article where a call to action oh yeah adbusters actually is the one that sort of organize the day that has that kind of seventeen this very sort of a twitter hash tag for the time sort of and allegorize of what would happen on wall street what's happening in the rest of the world or even what happened in wisconsin which is sort of a call that action against sort of really one of the main culprits i would have into the economy right now i mean people forget they hit the recession as a. so it's sort of a name or if it's sort of a natural phenomenon are they that like maybe it was the government's problem really the recession started because of a lot of financial misdeeds by the financial sector by wall street and the lack of regulation of the financial sector wall street and the lack of proper oversight of this institutions and it caused a lot of pain to us and now we're saying that you know maybe we need to start bringing some of that anger to them it seems that there are two necessary remedies here one is the obama j

a lot of americans the demonstrators are also demanding major structural reforms to our economy adbusters is the organization the first conceived of the idea to occupy wall street and point to full disclosure i've written for adbusters over the years their call for the occupation on their website reads on september seventeenth we want to see twenty thousand people flooding the lower manhattan set up tents kitchens peaceful barricades and i could buy wall street for a few months once there we shall incessantly repeat our one simple demand and so barack obama capitulates so will this kind of activism produce some real change in awakening tens of millions of americans who've been screwed by wall street for more on this and joined by senior reporter and blogger at think progress welcome back thanks for having me thomas it was great to have you here with us what's the current status of the wall street occupation sure and so it started on saturday and we had certainly over thousand people come down to sort of the financial district new york city police stopped them from one always to new york s

way it could come straight out of the pages of adbusters and then it take. turned the rally in fact the one that i attended concludes with. lou's bringing out a mannequin that he says represents a concubine and a story from the bible who was raped and killed raped to death and cut up at the twelve pieces and as he stokes the kids up into a sort of a roar yelling cut up the concubine he tears the concubine apart and throws the pieces out into the crowd and this is supposed to symbolize carrying up and destroying secularism so you get back. to me that's frightening and it's a and i want to understand the journey how do you get from the critique that i might share to that's your prescription on how to address. a lot of that holy cow i did in that chapter it on the other end of the spectrum toward the end of the book you wrote about bach the saga shape the new age what. your thoughts on yeah yeah sunfish a was you know i said this is something came out of my first book killing the buddha travelling around the country and i was fascinated with the way i think a l

a number of organizations get brought up when talking about the thing adbusters and anonymous but really this is a completely leaderless operation everything is decided by consensus in the general assembly and it was really just organized by grassroots activists who got together essentially on the internet and in nonviolence and civil disobedience trainings in tompkins square park and elsewhere that decided that it was time for the united states to join the rest of the world in formulating a response to the sort of the ferry service that routinely comes out of wall street and has bankrupted the american economy and extorted the american polity for a vast sums of money that was not just bailouts and corporatism. so anyone who's in new york can go down and see that this isn't driven by organizations and not much has been made of the fact that this group hasn't come up with any specific demands or doctrines or manifesto and the reason is because it's not it's not driven organization it's driven strictly by people power and in that way it's very perpetuation is doctrinaire it gives a model o

. >> reporter: the original call back in july from adbusters magazine was asking for 90,000 people to show up. and a couple of weeks ago they kind of downplayed that, asking for 20,000 people. but they certainly didn't get that kind of turnout today. >> before we let you go, what do they want? >> reporter: well, that's the interesting thing about these protests. they talk about we're going to demand something from wall street. but the demand is kind of being crowd-sourced. the crowd is going to decide what the demand is. but of course, when you go by that line of thinking, everyone wants something different. the people i talked to said things as general as you know, overthrow capitalism. some have more specific things they want president obama to do. so finding a common voice with hundreds of people is something very difficult to do. >> protesters had planned to gather at the famous bull statue on wall street, but police blocked the area off because they say none of the demonstrators had permits. >>> is the state of georgia about to execute an innocent man? troy davis is set to die we